Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

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indians now know we have weapons from china while finance and oil from ksa . now they cant taunt us 10 vs 80 billions. game is totally changed now

 

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[Taimoor]

The Pakistani regime of the day often makes decisions for its immediate survival that turn out to be long-term albatrosses around the nation's neck.

Survival? are you not aware its the Saudi and GCC who are desperate for this protection, not Pakistan! each and every strategic move has it own set of compulsions and designs, you Indians tend to jumble them up all together to sell your narrative.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Don't know if posted earlier or not.

Defence minister says "door not closed" to other gulf states from becoming part of the new arrangement

 

[Corax]

If need be..yes

Won't happen, the Saudis, much like other GCC states, have no compulsion in throwing us under the bus...look at what they've done to the Palestinians and other Arab countries.

 

[brazensword]

I see nothing but good coming from this collaboration. For decades we were ridiculed for uttering the words muslim ummah. Now finally we are seeing a glimpse, a ray of hope of musim nations uniting. Whats there to be critical about.

This is Dollar Chumma, bro.

 

[r3alist]

Do you see gradual desperation creeping in this Indian scumbag tweets?

Gradual? It's a complete meltdown

They have no national confidence

Let's not even talk about civilizational confidence, because you need civilization first

 

[A1Kaid]

Every major country is reassessing its global position for greater security because of the Pak-Saudi defense deal.

This is the emergence of an international Muslim military bloc. We haven’t seen anything like this since the Ottomans. I hope it goes far.

 

[BrigSmart]

Survival? are you not aware its the Saudi and GCC who are desperate for this protection, not Pakistan! each and every strategic move has it own set of compulsions and designs, you Indians tend to jumble them up all together to sell your narrative.

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. So, they at least have a legitimate government. The Pakistani regime has come into power by subverting Pakistan's Constitution and the will of the Pakistani people. They have no legitimacy in the eyes of the domestic constituency. That is why they are willing to sell Pakistan's long-term interests to foreign powers just to ensure the survival of their regime. In 2015, the decision on whether to support the Saudis against Yemen was put before the Parliament, which still had some legitimacy at that time, and was rejected because it was against Pakistan's interests. Now, the illegitimate government has committed Pakistani forces against Yemen, Iran and all other adversaries of Saudi Arabia without even the pretence of a discussion with Parliament or even the Cabinet. What other reason was there for it other than the desperation for continued Saudi support for the regime's survival ? If the Saudis withdraw the billions they have provided as an economic lifeline, the IMF bailout will collapse and the regime will fall.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan could not effectively defend its assets on its own territory.
IAF pin pointly targeted PAF with its limited deployment of brahmos & Scalps and PAF miserably failed to deliver a reciprocal blow to IAF.

After this conflict, I am not confident of Pak Military to provide any sort of effective conventional military cover to Pakistanis let alone GCC where Israel/US can deploy weapons much superior in technology, doctrine and operators.

However, if this agreement can bring some investment in Pak's tiny defence industry to mass produce weapons like missiles & drones, that would be best possible outcome of this pact.
KSA can get the ToT for its own manufacturing industry.Win win for both.

Gaps were exposed during the conflict. That is the nature of conflict. Pakistan is moving to close those gaps. As we know, Pakistan lacks the resources to buy everything it needs and has to make compromises and those can then be exploited.

That is life.

(Pakistan took a far larger scalp from India's head, then India did with Pakistan in that round, the balance is massively in Pakistan's favour, I dont understand why you cant see that ).

 

[Mobius]

Posted before, posting again....This is too hilarious

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[Distant_Observer]

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. So, they at least have a legitimate government. The Pakistani regime has come into power by subverting Pakistan's Constitution and the will of the Pakistani people. They have no legitimacy in the eyes of the domestic constituency. That is why they are willing to sell Pakistan's long-term interests to foreign powers just to ensure the survival of their regime. In 2015, the decision on whether to support the Saudis against Yemen was put before the Parliament, which still had some legitimacy at that time, and was rejected because it was against Pakistan's interests. Now, the illegitimate government has committed Pakistani forces against Yemen, Iran and all other adversaries of Saudi Arabia without even the pretence of a discussion with Parliament or even the Cabinet. What other reason was there for it other than the desperation for continued Saudi support for the regime's survival ? If the Saudis withdraw the billions they have provided as an economic lifeline, the IMF bailout will collapse and the regime will fall.

What Pakistan has gone through in the WOT and still going through being attacked by your proxies from Afghanistan. No other country would have survived this. The west turned a blind eye just like they turned a blind eye to your dealings with Russia and Iran.

We carried the weight of the Muslim world because of the bomb. We know they all secretly want us to wither away and fade into obscurity. Pakistan was attacked from all angles.

Even Greece went bankrupt and that is a peaceful holiday destination.

Pakistan's economy will improve and thrive, its only a matter of time if they can deliver durable peace.

With this agreement, Pakistan is now off limits for the Indians. This will give them space to be very heavy handed with your proxies. Even USA are aware of your proxy network in Chahabar. The net is closing.

 

[iblini]

I think we are almost ready to step out of the shell and do some real bussiness.

 

[LeGenD]

I am not the only one who said that the American firepower in the Middle East is reduced; I saw some other today, maybe even an Indian analyst, who said something like 'The Arab world saw what Iran did and so they think maybe they too can do try to have some spine' (paraphrased).
Destroying Iran using carpet bombing would also mean destroying Israel, the American bases, and the American investments, and the GCC infrastructure and hence both Iran and America did the same old tit for tat dance that they did in the Trump first administration.
So, yes, the American firepower in the Middle East is greatly reduced; forget about putting the boots on the ground like in Iraq 2003--those days are long gone--short of dropping massive nukes, even a middling power like Iran can exact a too heavy price.
But you are entitled to remain in your awe of a past which has long gone.

My friend, let's stick to facts and common sense. The American military footprint in the Middle East is a flexible regime, the White House decides to increase or decrease it in view of regional developments. The US deployed a massive military force in the region to liberate Kuwait from Iraq in 1991, much of it was withdrawn from the region after the war. There was no need for it in subsequent years.

Iran attacked an American military base in Qatar and managed to cripple a radar system there at best? It is a massive complex with significant defenses. It is not easy to wreck like a residential area in a country. Flattening Israel is also a grossly exaggerated claim made by some on PDF. A video of Tel Aviv was posted after war with Iran, you can see it here. This is but a small part of Israel. How much damage do you see there? Iran have lost about half of its missile force in war but Israel is largely intact and American military bases across the Middle East are largely intact. The USN is also present in the region. There is no need to put thousands of boots on the ground for every conflict situation. A military operation is not a matter of optics but tactics and strategy. The US have employed different tactics and strategy to fight each war in the region. Operation Desert Storm had a different character. Operation Iraqi Freedom had a different character. Operation Inherent Resolve had a different character. Operation Prosperity Guardian had a different character. Operation Midnight Hammer had a different character. What are you on about? Lol.

 

[Pradotlc]

Are you serious? Is that what Pakistan is getting in return for a "defence pact"? We provide a nuclear umbrella and cannon fodder for the Saudis, and in return we get diplomatic threats against the indians if they attack Pakistan?

some thing is better than nothing....