Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[r3alist]

Could anyone please enlighten me about this agreement? Is this just a defence agreement or does it include shared military bases, standardization of systems and strategies?

What will happen to the US military bases in KSA?

For now, it's more about watching the meltdown

 

[the vicious kind]

Oh bhai.......you believe in your fairy tales.......good luck to you.......

When all this fizzles out, just remember you were told the truth, but chose to disregard it.

Fairy tales? do you want me to mention the list of Saudi funded projects and their executing companies ? you didnt tell me any truths , you shared an opinion without backing up with evidence.. i have seen your posts, most of them are Hogwash statements

 

[Watandar]

Israel is an aggressive enemy and they don't care if someone has nuclear weapopns or not. you have to destroy their airforce in order to make them surrender. Pak is all aggressive posture. Pak doesn't work like arabs. Arabs needs us to help them, to train them and to fight together against israel.

But Pakistan has been training Arabs for 50 plus years now. Not only do they come to Pakistani academies, but they also exercise with Pakistani forces and Pakistan also sends its serving forces to train Arabs in their home countries. I know of several retired family members who lived in Gulf and taught their various militaries.

 

[Fatman17]

Isn't this putting Pakistan squarely in the Israeli/American cross hairs ? Uptil now establishment was clever and had kept quiet internationally about the nuke/missile program alongwith staying away from Mideast/Israel, signaling that all this was "India-specific".

West/Israel was always going to come for Pakistan missile/nuke programs one day, but I thought that was decades in the future and it would be via India or domestic actors. Establishment seems to be speeding up that clash by confronting the source, is that wise at this stage ?

Too early to say when and how and where it will be provided

 

[Solomon2]

Too early to say when and how and where it will be provided

The text of the KSA-Pakistan agreement is not available? Pakistanis don't know what they are being committed to?

 

[Fatman17]

The text of the KSA-Pakistan agreement is not available? Pakistanis don't know what they are being committed to?

For once I agree with you. It is all conjecture and Speculation

 

[the vicious kind]

na bhai am talking about in 90s when our nuclear facility was threatened by isreali attack and our pilots volunteerly presented themselves for one way suicidal mission.

We probably didnt have any options back then.. we didnt have air refuelling aircraft. We also only had less then a dozen Ghauri BMs. Which themselves couldnt reach Tel Aviv.

 

[Meengla]

What people must understand is what was signed was a "defence pack". That term will be used the same way the Article 5 of NATO works. If Saudia Arabia decides to go and attack Somalia ( for whatever reason ), then the pact will not apply, even for Somalia's military response back to Saudia Arabia.
However, if one day, out of the blue, Saudia Araba is attacked by Somalia, then the pact will apply.
Additionally, what this pact does, is remove the nuclear sabre rattling from Israel in any military show down that may constrain Saudia Arabia's military response to any aggression. It frees Saudia Arabia and its freedom of movement and decision making.
Alot of people are trying to suggest this means that Saudia Arabia "decides" when Pakistan goes to war, and that is not the case. It is a "defensive pact".

Indeed, you are right about the fine points of this deal. As to those denying the nuclear wars are not a factor, please study some. Everyone is saying Pakistan's nukes are a big factor--always been but now it is out in the open.

This Palestinian analyst is full of praise of Pakistan. Just 1-2 years ago, he, probably misled by the expat Pakistanis of a certain political bias, was basically calling Pakistan an American puppet. How many non-Pakistanis have been misled by the very vocal group of expats!!

"Netanyahu is losing his mind". How right he is.

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[Pak-Warrior]

I think, most people here are over-exaggerating this moment. Its significant but not as if something drastic is changing at ground. The pact in some form always existed between KSA & Pakistan. Pakistani Generals throughout history have been saying that they still stand with Kingdom which has two of holiest places of Islam.

This agreement has more symbolic meaning then anything truly practical. I see people claiming that it could be used against Yemen OR against india. I don't see any of such thing. KSA has learned from its mistake of attacking Yemen and they have made peace with them. If Pak vs India happens in future, the Kingdom will act as mediator more then anything else.

As far as Israel is concerned, It never had any plans to attack KSA at first place. Kingdom signed this agreement as a show of force, as a backup or just signalling out that don't even think about it. The signaling is to Yemen & Iran as well. Overall again its more symbolic / signalling. Can actually work to stabilize the region and prevent unnecessary wars (If the intent is likewise).

People who are hoping this pact can save genocide in Gaza are just wrong. Israel don't give a damn to this and still killing 100s of children on daily basis. So its time we all should stop over exaggerating it and see it just formalizing something which was already known for decades.

 

[r3alist]

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[hydrabadi_arab]

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[hydrabadi_arab]

I think, most people here are over-exaggerating this moment. Its significant but not as if something drastic is changing at ground. The pact in some form always existed between KSA & Pakistan. Pakistani Generals throughout history have been saying that they still stand with Kingdom which has two of holiest places of Islam.

This agreement has more symbolic meaning then anything truly practical. I see people claiming that it could be used against Yemen OR against india. I don't see any of such thing. KSA has learned from its mistake of attacking Yemen and they have made peace with them. If Pak vs India happens in future, the Kingdom will act as mediator more then anything else.

As far as Israel is concerned, It never had any plans to attack KSA at first place. Kingdom signed this agreement as a show of force, as a backup or just signalling out that don't even think about it. The signaling is to Yemen & Iran as well. Overall again its more symbolic / signalling. Can actually work to stabilize the region and prevent unnecessary wars (If the intent is likewise).

People who are hoping this pact can save genocide in Gaza are just wrong. Israel don't give a damn to this and still killing 100s of children on daily basis. So its time we all should stop over exaggerating it and see it just formalizing something which was already known for decades.

This looks different. Lets bump this thread after a year to see where things stand

 

[Sinnerman108]

Smart diplomacy. Why risk tens of billions coming to India? If the Saudis really decide to, they and their rich GCC Arab allies could do major damage to India's economy by merely expelling the millions of Indian expats employed in the Arab world. Indian workers are very replaceable.

Well said engineer sahab.

If GoP had some sense, they would have asked for some sort of leniency in Quota for Pakistan. For example 1 pak to be counted as 0.5 Pak in neqat program.

That would allow progress for Pakistan and at the same time reduce indian slice of the pie.

Alas.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Isn't this putting Pakistan squarely in the Israeli/American cross hairs ?

Quite the opposite. Israeli/American are anti-Iran. They were never anti-KSA.

 

[Meengla]

Well said engineer sahab.
If GoP had some sense, they would have asked for some sort of leniency in Quota for Pakistan. For example 1 pak to be counted as 0.5 Pak in neqat program.
That would allow progress for Pakistan and at the same time reduce indian slice of the pie.
Alas.

500,000 thousand more Pakistani expats in the Arab world would go long ways in helping Pakistan's economy and 500,000 less Indians in the Arab world would do major damage to India's economy.
@The SC : You guys need to realize you have an Israeli Trojan Horse in millions in your midst.