Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

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Maarkhoor said:
Update:

Al Jouf airbase now being operated and commanded by PAF from there Israel is only 12 mins away.
@Panzerkiel @RescueRanger
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The global chessboard is rapidly changing indeed and we should connect the dots as the pawns or the horses are being moved!
Given that Pakistan doesn't ever try to too much cross America due to Pakistan's extreme economy dependence on the America-led order, I am starting to think that the Saudi-Pakistan agreement is not without an American nod. The Trump admin has really been publicly bashing India, which shows a major shift from the policies starting Bill Clinton 2000 visit to India but even before Trump, the Biden admin was already not very warm with India. Plus you add in factors like China is a force in itself like once the USSR was and China backs Pakistan in an strategic embrace to the point of willing to take commercial losses from India.
Americans really are trying to pivot against China but the Attack Dog turned Mad Dog of Israel is slowing that down. When was the last time we heard of the America-China posturing over the South China Sea islands??? Netanyahu is dragging America to a pit to fulfill his personal ambitions of a Greater Israel and while Trump is absolutely the most pro Israel President in the entire American history, he too can't ignore the petulant behavior of Israel at the expense of America for too long, the alleged Epstein Files on him or not.
 
Arab-Pak relations are so passive-aggressive.

Meengla said:
Indians were ALWAYS hypocrites about supporting the Palestinians and that hypocrisy goes back decades. But Indians were smart enough to appear balanced and advocated a Two State Solution. But, until very recently, even Netanyahu was talking about a Two State Solution. And those UNGA votes where India voted 'pro Palestinian' were not only meaningless except for the symbology but the vast majority of the world nation supported those resolutions anyway. But too many gullible Palestinians fell for the Indian charade for too long!! @Unknowntruth

However, with Modi, the civilizational revivalism forces in India became too open. Indians, perhaps correctly, saw that the path to India's rise was through working through the AIPAC and that worked well for India until the Israel-Gaza conflict where Modi's bigotry exposed India to the Arab World and to the Global South. By now, anyone who is not a staunch Zionist or a hardcore Hindutva, knows where India truly stands on Palestine. In the Information Age, persistent hypocrisy is impossible to hide!

But still it baffles me that India's mere 'condemnation' of the recent Israeli attack on Qatar without naming Israel and India's 'concerns' about the Israeli attack on Iran a few months ago without condemning Israel has not removed illusions about India from some Persian and Arab eyes?? What will it take??!!!
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Do you think Pakistan is not hypocritical about Palestinians as well? How many Palestinians did Pakistan kill during Black September? Hundreds? Thousands? Call Indians hypocrites if you want, but they never directly killed Palestinians.

On the other hand, Pakistan is seen as doing the Arabs' bidding, including the killing of Palestinians. And you wonder why Palestinians gravitate towards India.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The Americans would have been aware of these "discussions" going on for sure.

There was a decision point between having the security pack with the USA or Pakistan, and that itself could have been a surprise, yes.
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the American security umbrella has become existential threat to Arab countries. Finally they have realized?
 
maxpane said:
and what are we operating gainst fifth gen israeli airforce if its true?
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Nothing. Pakistan cannot stop any Israeli air or naval attack on Saudi Arabia, despite performance of PAF in 88 hour conflict with incompetent India. Pakistan doesn't have this capability now nor will it have it in 10 years.

Saudis know this. The more I think about this the more I think this whole pact is just a storm in a teacup. Saudis are merely using Pakistan and China to signal to the US to drop its stringent conditions for defense pact.

What's funny is Pakistan is also being used by America last few months as signaling to India :D
 
Mutakalim said:
Yes, usually. However, he suffers from the same secular idealism of congress like rest of educated Indian Muslims. For example his rant of 4000 years old Indian ties with Arabs is reflective of the unending need of Indian Muslims to justify their nationalism.
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We have to allow him to speak his piece and take from it what we will. I just wanted to hear his counter; economics is what gives India leverage. Therefore, we know where we have to focus to minimize that Indian leverage.
 
Meengla said:
The global chessboard is rapidly changing indeed and we should connect the dots as the pawns or the horses are being moved!
Given that Pakistan doesn't ever try to too much cross America due to Pakistan's extreme economy dependence on the America-led order, I am starting to think that the Saudi-Pakistan agreement is not without an American nod. The Trump admin has really been publicly bashing India, which shows a major shift from the policies starting Bill Clinton 2000 visit to India but even before Trump, the Biden admin was already not very warm with India. Plus you add in factors like China is a force in itself like once the USSR was and China backs Pakistan in an strategic embrace to the point of willing to take commercial losses from India.
Americans really are trying to pivot against China but the Attack Dog turned Mad Dog of Israel is slowing that down. When was the last time we heard of the America-China posturing over the South China Sea islands??? Netanyahu is dragging America to a pit to fulfill his personal ambitions of a Greater Israel and while Trump is absolutely the most pro Israel President in the entire American history, he too can't ignore the petulant behavior of Israel at the expense of America for too long, the alleged Epstein Files on him or not.
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There are real words of caution to be said on this development for Pakistan, however now is not the time

As of now, the sheer psychological impact this agreement has had on India should be the immediate focus


You see, the point really is not how much this agreement actualizes, there are many many complications and operational hurdles before you can call it anything like NATO


The main point is this



If the very notion or idea of Islamic military cooperation is finding life now


Just the very idea


Then one day it could truly happen in a meaningful way, the idea lives



These conditions were all self-created, now you have Israel on a rampage

Will India ditch Israel if Israel needs help?

This will be the best chapter yet
 
atmi_bum said:
Arab-Pak relations are so passive-aggressive.


Do you think Pakistan is not hypocritical about Palestinians as well? How many Palestinians did Pakistan kill during Black September? Hundreds? Thousands? Call Indians hypocrites if you want, but they never directly killed Palestinians.

On the other hand, Pakistan is seen as doing the Arabs' bidding, including the killing of Palestinians. And you wonder why Palestinians gravitate towards India.
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Not a single one, unless you think a brigadier and Jordanian army taking over plo is Paks fault.

Go brown nose the Israelis with your phul sapoot saar. Instead of trying to act smart.
 
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