Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Tamerlane]

If Gen. Tariq Khan is correct then it explains why the Americans aren’t saying anything about the Saudi-Pak agreement. They’re probably laughing so hard they’re rolling on the ground. Like the saying goes, 0+0=0.

 

[Meengla]

Having said that, they are still preferable to the Zionists but that is not saying much (regime wise).

For all I care, they can join hands with KSA, as long as they are not playing stupid games and are genuine in their cooperation with the aim of a stable and prosperous region that we can both share for the benefit of all. After all they are permanent neighbours and Arabs have no time/focus/need for playing any games with them. We have 20 + countries and 500 + million people and a territory the size of Russia to look and focus on.

It seems like Iran's ambitious export of a certain ideology since 1979 is a No Go; it was ill advised anyway. But an Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, should it come to that, should be still better than an Israeli dominance because at least the Iranians are the locals and would eventually figure out to live in the 'neighborhood'. But Israel, they proudly call themselves 'The Last Outpost of the West in the Middle East' and take part in Euro games. They are an outright colonial power. I wished they were not and would learn to co-exist with the so-called 'locals' and bring the first world knowledge to the Middle East but once a nation is founded on racism and racial superiority then it is a downward spiral to its doom, whether now or later, unless that race has the overwhelming numbers like the Europeans had in North America centuries ago, which the Israelis clearly don't have.
Israelis have been writing their own obituary as I write above lines.

 

[Exped-33]

Its funny to see Indians trying to make this pact all about themselves, and on other hand we have low IQ IK supporters which I know which Ethnic group they are from (LOL), are taking cheap shots at the pact, while no one knows what exactly this PACT means and what are details.

India has become irrelevant now.
This defence pact isn't a reactive pact about what to do when a foreign enemy attacks you. It's a proactive pact which is designed to stop said foreign enemy to ever attacking you.

Meaning the defensive abilities of both countries could be at such level that your enemy will just be thinking of consequences of violating your airspace sovereignty.

 

[Goenitz]

I think we should also focus on film, song and other entertainment industries. Pak narrative will spread to Morocco if we translate films, dramas, etc into Arabic.
AI can be helpful in this regard. Who is the expert here? @Bilal

 

[Tamerlane]

This is a topic for another thread, but Gen. Tariq Khan also said that the Americans and Taliban are negotiating a deal for the Americans to open a base in Afghanistan. This will allow investment in Afghanistan which is starving and the US will be able to keep an eye on Pakistan.

If this happens it will be back to square one for Pakistan. Sandwiched one again.

So much for the Pakistanis who want nothing but to wage war on Afghanistan. Thank you for bringing the US military back to our doorsteps.

Someone please start a thread on this topic if it doesn’t exist already.

 

[_Arabia_]

It seems like Iran's ambitious export of a certain ideology since 1979 is a No Go; it was ill advised anyway. But an Iranian ascendancy in the Middle East, should it come to that, should be still better than an Israeli dominance because at least the Iranians are the locals and would eventually figure out to live in the 'neighborhood'. But Israel, they proudly call themselves 'The Last Outpost of the West in the Middle East' and take part in Euro games. They are an outright colonial power. I wished they were not and would learn to co-exist with the so-called 'locals' and bring the first world knowledge to the Middle East but once a nation is founded on racism and racial superiority then it is a downward spiral to its doom, whether now or later, unless that race has the overwhelming numbers like the Europeans had in North America centuries ago, which the Israelis clearly don't have.
Israelis have been writing their own obituary as I write above lines.

There will be no "Iranian ascendancy" in the region. If by region you mean the Arab world. Neither in Turkey for that matter or the Caucasus and neither in Pakistan nor Afghanistan. Their best and sole hope is better relations with the only other Persian-majority speaking nation on the planet, tiny landlocked Tajikistan that they do not border and which has a smaller economy than war-torn Yemen.

What I am trying to say here is that neither is their Wilayat al-Faqih (created in 1979) accepted or wanted by anybody in the region (outside of a small tiny group of Shia Arabs - in fact within Iran itself a minority want this system) nor is any non-Iranian interested in their nationalism as we see it as an alien thing no different from Zionism.

Iran had every opportunity to forge better/closer relationship with the neighbourhood but they did not do that and preferred to meddle opportunistically in only wor-torn/unstable Arab countries that happen to have a Shia minority. Using local grievances to create proxy/terrorist/whatever you want to call it groups. That they later used for their own geopolitical benefits not much different from how they are treating/have treated the Mongol Shia Afghan Hazaras that were used as cannon fodder in Syria.

It is very hard for a sane person (non-Shia Wilayat al-Faqih supporter, non-Iranian) to have any sympathy for such policies.

But as I said, bygones can be bygones, I don't like to dwell in the past, and as I wrote, no reason for Arabs (in particular those of us next to Iran - most Arabs have no exposure to Iran at all due to geography and history) and Iranians to have any hostility when we share more in common than the opposite. But you cannot expect me or any Arab to have positive views of that regime or their supporters within Iran or the opposite lot from that (the anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, "we wuz Aryan brown lot") that you can easily google what they are.

They are the same segment that is protesting HAND in HAND with ZIonists in Europe/West complaining about how evil Muslims/Arabs are. **** both of them to be honest with you, not much different from the Zionists.

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And no need to tell you or others here that some of the biggest Islamophobes from our part of the world, often even worse than Zionists, are those types of Iranians.

No need to tell you that we will never see eye to eye with this pathetic lot or trust them either.

Now, if you are an ordinary Iranian, not hostile, Muslim or even non-Muslim (each to their own), I have no problem with you any more than I have a problem with people from Lesotho. So yeah, from what I see and observe, no Arabs are focusing/obsessing about them to the extent these two types of Iranians are doing with us. So the problem is greater on their side, I am afraid, but at the same time I know/or at least certainly hope, that wast majority of Iranians are not a part of those 2 groups. And obviously they might have legitimate grievances from our part/side of the coin and that can be discussed/solved in a civilized manner. Or at least should be.

 

[Starlord]

India has become irrelevant now.
This defence pact isn't a reactive pact about what to do when a foreign enemy attacks you. It's a proactive pact which is designed to stop said foreign enemy to ever attacking you.

Meaning the defensive abilities of both countries could be at such level that your enemy will just be thinking of consequences of violating your airspace sovereignty.

There are always some grey areas in such PACTs, remember that Attack on countries is different than Attack on some so call Terrorist outfits, Israel also said that they did not attack Qatar and its people but Hamas whom they consider Terrorists group, will India use the same logic if in future any conflict breaks out ? even if it does I don't think we need KSA's fighter jets, we just need their oil and maybe ammunitions, we can response and hold Indians off on our own, as for PA protecting KSA well as long as I don't see PA operating a Air force base with its own fighter jets, Air defense system away from American's i will say our soldiers will be sitting ducks.

 

[Tamerlane]

"we wuz Aryan brown lot"

Indians do that too despite being very dark brown. They practically think of themselves as Nordic.

 

[A1Kaid]

I watched this video twice to fully understand what the general was saying. His main points will take the air out of 90% of what people are imagining in this thread.

1. The maximum Pakistan can do is put some boots in the ground in SA.

2. Pakistan can’t spare any fighter jets or pilots.

3. Even if Pakistan wanted to it can’t fly jets in SA without American permission.

4. The best the deal can do is provide China with an entry point into Saudi Arabia.

5. China can’t enter Saudi Arabia unless US is removed from the region.

6. The only worthwhile defense equipment Pakistan produces is JF-17 aircraft and some light firearms.

7. Pakistan nuke umbrella is probably not part of the agreement as that would bring the world against Pakistan.

8. If China enters the region it will bring Saudi Arabia and Iran together.

American presence will gradually be removed from Middle East. I wouldn't put so much stock in 1 interview from an ex general.

Think 1 year out timeline.

Lol re Pakistan can’t fly Saudi jets.

There is a new security order being built.

 

[Pogic]

Maybe if GCC had not sponsored a horrible and destructive war on Iran, via Iraq in the 1980s, causing at least 500k Iranian deaths, then Iran may have chosen "friendlier" policies towards the GCC in last 30 years. Actions have consequences.

Saddam extended an olive branch to Iran, after the revolution proposing non-interference. It was Khomeini who rejected that and called for the overthrow of Saddams government and to top it all off an Iran backed militia then tried to assassinate the Iraqi deputy PM. You can say what you want about the GCC's paranoia about Iran but it wasn't without reason, but Iran since the revolution has geopolitically only made blunder after blunder.

 

[Exped-33]

There are always some grey areas in such PACTs, remember that Attack on countries is different than Attack on some so call Terrorist outfits, Israel also said that they did not attack Qatar and its people but Hamas whom they consider Terrorists group, will India use the same logic if in future any conflict breaks out ? even if it does I don't think we need KSA's fighter jets, we just need their oil and maybe ammunitions, we can response and hold Indians off on our own, as for PA protecting KSA well as long as I don't see PA operating a Air force base with its own fighter jets, Air defense system away from American's i will say our soldiers will be sitting ducks.

Lik3 I said, india has become irrelevant. And we all agree that Paks is plenty capable of handling el-hindi on its own.
But that doesn't mean we can't enjoy a nice boost in our defense budget (good airdefense, r&d on 6th generation jet, satellites and comms etc) which KSA would a direct beneficiary of as well as training and implementing of such platforms in their own nation.

Once again, im not looking at this pact as a brother coming to save his brother in a fight with the neighborhood punks. Im looking at this pact as both brother training each other to a point that when the time comes those punks would never dare fight them.

 

[Watandar]

But Iran (regime) has not been able to even remotely harm the GCC in any way so how has that plan unfolded?

Iranian objective from 90s onwards was to move land war away from their border and into the GCC itself. Worked well for 30 years and caused GCC to run and hide behind the Americans. Now GCC is slave of America and at mercy of Israel.

Also last time I checked it was the Iranian regime that wanted to actively export their retarded revolution to Iraq and Saddam reacted. Of course the GCC, as every single Arab state outside of Syria and Libya (only due to hostilities with Saddam) supported Iraq because the same Iranian regime made it explicitly clear that they wanted to export their revolution to the Arabian Peninsula (main goal was control of Makkah and Madinah). And not only that, Iraq was/is an fellow Arab neighbouring country.

Saudi has been exporting the poison of Wahhabism for decades. So what's wrong with someone else exporting their views ? Wahhabism was responsible for 9/11 and so much conflict in Mideast. Saudis only escaped the consequences of 9/11 and Al Qaeda because of all the money they spend in the West.

When Khomeini came to power, the first thing King Khalid did was to write a letter to them in hope of a good brotherly Islamic and neighbourly relationship. Instead they were met with hostility and open calls for regime change because the same illiterate Iranian Mullah's (Khomeini was even hosted by Kuwait prior to the Iranian revolution - so much for any hostility) thought that the GCC was a copy of Shah's Iran (forced liberalisation of the society) when nothing could be further from the truth. They applied Iranian realities onto outsiders and that was their first fatal flaw.

Sure Khomeini made some bombastic speeches, like all revolutionaries do but that was not the reason for GCC/West war on Iran. The example of the people overthrowing an autocrat was what Saddam and GCC really hated, so much that they all ganged up on Iran and imposed a horrendous war on it. Now same GCC moans about hostility!

And that was during an era where KSA, and nobody else, in the region, was the anti-Israel bastion in the region along with other Arab nations (Libya, Iraq) and main supporter financially of Palestinian factions. In fact back then (Sahwa) era, the regime was even supporting the MB.

yeah that all ended in the 1970s and since then GCC , led by Saudis, abandoned the Palestinians and moved into direction of becoming American client states.

Back to topic.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

With Saudi funding, could Pakistan go kn to develop H-bombs/thermonuclear weapons?

We could build couple of nuclear subs. Pakistan will never transfer bomb let alone giving them knowhow. Saudi Arabia best bet is to fund Pakistan strategic military capabilities.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If Gen. Tariq Khan is correct then it explains why the Americans aren’t saying anything about the Saudi-Pak agreement. They’re probably laughing so hard they’re rolling on the ground. Like the saying goes, 0+0=0.

May be the Pak Deep State wants them to think exactly like that....

Project yourself as weak when you're strong, and strong when you're weak - Sun Tzu

 

[Tamerlane]

But anyway, even despite my dislike of the Iranian regime, it is better for both parties and everyone in the region if we could regain each others trust and focus on the real enemies and move the region forward in the right direction.

I’m personally a great fan of the Persian language and culture. But I know what you’re talking about. There are the Shah loving Iranians in the West who are very Westernized and secular. However, most of them are not really dark; they can pass for being white.

I don’t particularly like the overly religious mullah types either. But the average Iranians are wonderful people.

One of the good traits of (most) Pakistanis is that they’re fond of all Muslims, including Arabs, Iranians, Turks etc. That’s exactly why Pakistan can play a role in trying to unite Muslims.