Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You repeated what I said . J-20A is a fighter and long range strike platform (both aspects build air superiority). While the J-20AS will have loyal wingman and other 6th gen techs. No one is discussing J-35 or anything else. Just J-20.

Long range striker is not main missions for J20 bro tell me which ground attack and antiship missiles could fits in the internal weapon bays of J20, Chinese smart munitions are still larger than their western counterparts

 

[RajaBaja]

Long range striker is not main missions for J20 bro tell me which ground attack and antiship missiles could fits in the internal weapon bays of J20, Chinese smart munitions are still larger than their western counterparts

Just so you are aware, J-20's primary role is air-dominance as a strike platform! The design was chosen specially because it allows for a very long range. From the design, it was going to be paired with PL-17 like missiles to give it targeting access much beyond the first Island chain into the second. For example, a J-20 traveling 400 KM away from the Chinese mainland can further hit US tankers, Awacs, SPY and support planes another 500 KM out, even expand it's reach near Guam or beyond the second Island chain with proper refueling.

The Chinese military usually uses a 1000 Kilometer conceptual buffer zone range when you talk to them. If the goal was to fire PL-15's on enemy aircraft, they could do it from other much cheaper platforms all day long.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Just so you are aware, J-20's primary role is air-dominance as a strike platform! The design was chosen specially because it allows for a very long range. From the design, it was going to be paired with PL-17 like missiles to give it targeting access much beyond the first Island chain into the second. For example, a J-20 traveling 400 KM away from the Chinese mainland can further hit US tankers, Awacs, SPY and support planes another 500 KM out, even expand it's reach near Guam or beyond the second Island chain with proper refueling.

The Chinese military usually uses a 1000 Kilometer conceptual buffer zone range when you talk to them. If the goal was to fire PL-15's on enemy aircraft, they could do it from other much cheaper platforms all day long.

PL-17 can't be fit in the internal weapon bays of J20, J20 can only be carry PL-17 on its external hard points

 

[yusheng]

Close-up look at part of the J-20's electro-optical system. Image source via watermark：

 

[SolarWarden]

Close-up look at part of the J-20's electro-optical system. Image source via watermark：
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No 360 capability yet?

 

[RajaBaja]

PL-17 can't be fit in the internal weapon bays of J20, J20 can only be carry PL-17 on its external hard points

Yes, other weapons can be put onto external hardpoints like stealthy cruise missiles and other BVR weapons. But the role doesn't change.

With its stealthy characteristics, it will go father than other Chinese assets and take out the US's flying support network. You take out the tankers, AWACS, EW aircrafts in these scenarios, you win the conflict.

Obviously it will face the front assault force also consisting of F-35's and F-22's also. But the real game plan is stop the US head on, go around to the back and take out the support network, thus, removing battle management, EW protection and refuel capability and immediately impacting the entire mission's reach and goals hundreds of kilometers away from the Chinese mainland.

A member Yusheng posted a detailed technical specs of the J-20 platform. Take a look at that also. Check out it's range and you'll understand why it was created in this design and configuration and that will link to my comments above. Thanks.

 

[Deino]

No 360 capability yet?

Not on the vanilla J-20

 

[Ali_Baba]

Per the recent estimates I've read coming out of China, minus flight testing time, the pulse manufacturing is capable to produce One J-20 fighter jet within 72-96 hours.

Are you serious ??? Surely you mean 72 - 96 days ......

 

[RajaBaja]

Are you serious ??? Surely you mean 72 - 96 days ......

No Mr! 72-96 hours. Yes "hours" meaning estimated 4 days (give or take another one may be) but it unbelievably fast. These dynamic or "pulse" manufacturing lines run 24-7. No holiday or sleep time needed. This is build time, doesn't include the flight testing time. Not sure how long that takes.

@MH.Yang @Beijingwalker @Michael Kindly advise on the pulse manufacturing details. I believe one of you did a write up on it. I wrote what I knew from Zhuhai. I don't know the product testing / flight testing time.

 

[Ali_Baba]

No Mr! 72-96 hours. Yes "hours" meaning estimated 4 days (give or take another one may be) but it unbelievably fast. These dynamic or "pulse" manufacturing lines run 24-7. No holiday or sleep time needed. This is build time, doesn't include the flight testing time. Not sure how long that takes.

@MH.Yang @Beijingwalker @Michael Kindly advise on the pulse manufacturing details. I believe one of you did a write up on it. I wrote what I knew from Zhuhai. I don't know the product testing / flight testing time.

I called "h*rse shit on this claim .." ..

 

[RajaBaja]

I called "h*rse shit on this claim .." ..

I have a question for you and other Pakistan diaspora, some of who, like to act like Indians......more White than Whites! You saw my post, you also saw that I tagged our Chinese members and also mentioned that Michael had done a brief on it recently, so may be he can repost it or share details.

So when you see all this, why don't you wait for any expert to reply before a final confirmation is received? Start showing off you can write "horses** and low educated stuff is truly necessary? You writing here is you presenting yourself to the world. When you start to lose talk on a scientific topic, educated readers will form a terrible opinion of you. When in reality, you may be really smart.

Food for thought.

 

[Michael]

I called "h*rse shit on this claim .." ..

Using the phrase "one J-20 fighter jet is produced every 72-96 hours" to describe the situation is a crude and simplistic statement. It is generally correct, but not precise enough.

Combining official information from the CAC and CCTV, the general situation is as follows:
1. R&D institutions upgrade each batch of J-20 fighter jets. The J-20 is constantly evolving. The PLAAF's order to the CAC was not a large, all-in-one order, but rather multiple, smaller batches. This means there is idle time in actual production. ------ This is due to the time lag between R&D and production progress.
2. CAC's business information published on its WeChat official account shows that, typically, in a year's production, actual fighter deliveries are extremely low in the first half of the year, while actual deliveries in the second half are very high. This indirectly supports the first analysis.
3. In recent years, the actual number of J-20 fighter jets delivered has fluctuated between 80 and 120 per year, sometimes more, sometimes less. This is related to the first point.
4. If calculated based on an average of 100 aircraft per year, excluding China's statutory holidays, then roughly one J-20 fighter jet is produced every three working days, or one J-20 fighter jet every 72 hours.

This is just a rough overview.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Yes, other weapons can be put onto external hardpoints like stealthy cruise missiles and other BVR weapons. But the role doesn't change.

With its stealthy characteristics, it will go father than other Chinese assets and take out the US's flying support network. You take out the tankers, AWACS, EW aircrafts in these scenarios, you win the conflict.

Obviously it will face the front assault force also consisting of F-35's and F-22's also. But the real game plan is stop the US head on, go around to the back and take out the support network, thus, removing battle management, EW protection and refuel capability and immediately impacting the entire mission's reach and goals hundreds of kilometers away from the Chinese mainland.

A member Yusheng posted a detailed technical specs of the J-20 platform. Take a look at that also. Check out it's range and you'll understand why it was created in this design and configuration and that will link to my comments above. Thanks.

But carrying external payload could compromise stealth features of J20

 

[RajaBaja]

But carrying external payload could compromise stealth features of J20

Agreed. But that's just part of the tactics. You kill the support network, you kill the entire attack. Recent Israel-Qatar attack, you had refueling done twice and that was just a regional "drop weapons" exercise. No fuel wasted in fights, back and forth BVR tactics, etc.

Secondly, it's also possible they fly out with drop tanks and jettison those before a certain range and then drop weapons and come back on internal fuel. It's massive range gives the Chinese many options. Also, now a days majority of the weapons being built for external carrying have a stealth profile. You can google to see almost all new cruise missiles and loitering munitions come with somewhat stealthy profile and angular shapes. So with tech improvement, many options exist.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Agreed. But that's just part of the tactics. You kill the support network, you kill the entire attack. Recent Israel-Qatar attack, you had refueling done twice and that was just a regional "drop weapons" exercise. No fuel wasted in fights, back and forth BVR tactics, etc.

Secondly, it's also possible they fly out with drop tanks and jettison those before a certain range and then drop weapons and come back on internal fuel. It's massive range gives the Chinese many options. Also, now a days majority of the weapons being built for external carrying have a stealth profile. You can google to see almost all new cruise missiles and loitering munitions come with somewhat stealthy profile and angular shapes. So with tech improvement, many options exist.

Only few cruise missiles and loitering munitions have stealth profile and have a composite material fuselage and expensive to purchase

Even USAF and USN main cruise missile is conventional tomahawk and ALCM