H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[r3alist]

Fully agree on this. The system has been exploited and no expat has a right over it.

But there is a method to the madness. And that madness can’t be implemented like this. It can be done in a structured and organised way. Those who are on H1B aren’t criminals (majorly). They don’t need to suffer and get into panic for no fault of theirs. Imagine a person who had gone back to attend to an emergency back home and was subjected to this situation. What was the intent of declaring a deadline of 24 hrs. Couldn’t it have been made 30 days?

Trump is the president and has all the power to do what he wants. But this was a blatant misuse of power.

Joy and cheers being displayed by many on this thread shows deplorable character. Indian statement to say that it would inconvenience families was laughed at by many idiots. They should remember that a person like Trump can bring his arbitrariness to affect their domain and life anytime.

I don't think there is any easy way for trump to do this other than with a big announcement


The use of the word humanitarian was excessive on the Indian statement.

The schadenfreude is unfortunately par for the course, however I do not believe there was any fatalities of violence related to this. And that being said there are some American tech workers who might feel they deserve sympathy primarily

Yes trump is unpredictable so no one should ever feel secure, if India let's say agrees to American trade demands this just becomes hot air and gets spun as a trump negotiating master class, or trump decides to use it as leverage again in 12 months

 

[BrigSmart]

The American administration has announced/made these changes. They will either be dismissed on the basis of procedural issues you suggest, or they will come into force(which implies that they complied with procedural processes correctly as part of the process ). Lets see how long they last

Yes, but I have to take issue with you describe the problem with the order as a procedural issue. It is fundamental jurisdictional issue. The legal issue is not whether the correct procedure was followed by the administration , but whether the decision was made by someone competent to make it. Legally, the administration as the executive branch is completely distinct from Congress, which is the legislative branch.

 

[BrigSmart]

I don't blame the Indians for jumping the ship (aircraft in this case): India is very unlivable country, even for the rich!

And how many years did you live in India before you reached that conclusion ?

 

[Vkdindian1]

@r3alist I have one more opinion on this. A little different from the last one. Tagging you since you appeared to have taken a balanced view. A rarity of this thread.
Few decades back many multinationals from the Western world wanted full access to the world market and peddled a word - Globalisation. They badgered and pushed into many markets to reap the benefits. They did it to benefit themselves.
Why tears are being shed now if people want to move across the world and find their calling.
Did multinationals not kill scores of local businesses when they went to many nations? Trump is trying same thing now by demanding access to Indian farm sector.
Western countries can’t keep demanding what is good for themselves.
These companies are earning trillions by selling stuff across. Why can’t they employ expats to share a part of their profit.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yes, but I have to take issue with you describe the problem with the order as a procedural issue. It is fundamental jurisdictional issue. The legal issue is not whether the correct procedure was followed by the administration , but whether the decision was made by someone competent to make it. Legally, the administration as the executive branch is completely distinct from Congress, which is the legislative branch.

And, you can make that same argument for every single action and decision the Trump has made since he came to power, right? Not much of what he has done, has been rolled back.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Not much of what he has done, has been rolled back.

Really? How many U turns he has done is not even funny.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

right now, for ordinary indians, hottest trend is this news!

top 10% vs top 90% (in a fourth largest economy!)

Im not even an Indian, I feel sad for these folks!

i have started to feel depressed!



look H1B, is not really a news in India!

H1b is only news for their Brahman class, who notably insist they have white skin!

 

[BrigSmart]

And, you can make that same argument for every single action and decision the Trump has made since he came to power, right? Not much of what he has done, has been rolled back.

No, each case is different. The tariffs case, where he has actually lost twice and which is now in front of the Supreme Court, is actually stronger than the H1B case, because it does involve negotiating foreign treaties and also forms of sanctions, where courts generally give wide latitude to Presidents and Congress has generally not passed specific laws which conflict with the order.

Two fundamental issues with the H1B case are 1) Congress has already detailed exactly how H1Bs visas are to be issued 2)Trump's move raises taxes and its direct impact is purely on domestic hiring by US companies.

 

[vasanthm]

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right now, for ordinary indians, hottest trend is this news!

top 10% vs top 90% (in a fourth largest economy!)

Im not even an Indian, I feel sad for these folks!

i have started to feel depressed!



look H1B, is not really a news in India!

H1b is only news for their Brahman class, who notably insist they have white skin!

There are no socialist paradises anywhere, some people will always get rich first.

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist I have one more opinion on this. A little different from the last one. Tagging you since you appeared to have taken a balanced view. A rarity of this thread.
Few decades back many multinationals from the Western world wanted full access to the world market and peddled a word - Globalisation. They badgered and pushed into many markets to reap the benefits. They did it to benefit themselves.
Why tears are being shed now if people want to move across the world and find their calling.
Did multinationals not kill scores of local businesses when they went to many nations? Trump is trying same thing now by demanding access to Indian farm sector.
Western countries can’t keep demanding what is good for themselves.
These companies are earning trillions by selling stuff across. Why can’t they employ expats to share a part of their profit.

So in reality, the prevailing American ideology sets the price for the rest of the world.


Yes you are absolutely right that America itself pushed globalisation for decades. Which in itself ruined small businesses and demographics, and encouraged a global workforce


But that's the thing with setting the rules, you can just wake up one morning and decide it doesn't work for you and pull the rug.


And then you can pontificate as loudly as you want because you make the rules, you make the ideology and you decide what ideology is important, how it gets enforced and when


But here's the thing for the rest of the world, if you decide to play ball and take the price being set, and you overweight your portfolio, you have to question how you let it get there?

ideology and principles are merely just a means to an end for the oligarchal class, something you invoke or treat in a malleable way, when it suits, if you want to do business in this way you might want to ponder if you have made a pact with the devil?

Pakistan has been through this learning curve at Great cost. I'm wondering what it's going to do different this time around

The Chinese have a talent of dipping their toes just enough and then finding a way to make it work within China.... Don't they call it capitalism with Chinese characteristics?

 

[Meengla]

You seriously think India cannot absorb the top 500 IIT graduates, who mostly leave India, in its own economy of almost 1.5 billion ? Even outside the very top people , the quality of Indians on H1B is good enough that they will all easily find employment in India.

Yes, I seriously believe India cannot absorb the high number of college graduates it churns out every year.

Trump has already withdrawn the most substantive parts of the order even without a court fight. Everyone who already has a visa is , and will stay, exempt from the order. I don't know how deep your knowledge of US Constitutional Law is, but this is the EO with probably the weakest legal basis he has issued.

It is not the legal challenges that would neutralize Trump's EO: It is the nature of the 'business' itself; they will figure out ways to bypass most of the restrictions. Legally, Trump will get away as he is getting away with most of his EOs. He is the Emperor unlike any in the American history with majorities in the House, the Senate, and even in the Supreme Court. And from his EO, if only a very high $$ fee for even the new H1Bs is retained then that will have a large impact. But even IF all of his EO is revoked there will still be some hesitation about H1Bs hiring.

And that being said there are some American tech workers who might feel they deserve sympathy primarily

Count me in those! I need a damn job!! It is almost six months since I got DOGE'd from my IT job!

As to India livable or not, this video tells you a lot. Not that Pakistan is grand but then Pakistanis don't brag much about Pakistan either; people vote by their feet and Indians are so desperate to leave India that they even take the very dangerous route of sneaking into America from Mexico! There is a reason Indians are found everywhere in the world: They escape India.

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[r3alist]

@Meengla much good wishes and strength to you sir.

 

[Dalit]

Mate, at this point, I think it is better to let their delusion sustain itself.

When the enemy is busy, don't interfere.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

This entitlement to American affairs and the American dream is really a big part of the problem

Why is this coming up again? It is the American govt and American citizenry who have to decide who is entitled to the American dream.

And why shouldn't silicon valley benefit from someone from Denmark or Switzerland or Australia who will an average be much much better educated

Of course, citizens from these countries are free to come to America if America and its employers want them. Has anyone stopped these folks from coming to US? Hopefully these immigrants will be willing to:

Put in long working hours
Take low wages
Spending months away from home working on projects at clients etc

Regards

 

[kambhakt]

The point is simple, the narrative and intention and expectation is to provide a path for American graduates and American workers into tech jobs and far less h1b people coming from a third world education system to get an easier path in. And that's the point, how can people from third world education systems be considered especially brilliant over Americans?

The way to do that is to get more American students into STEM. All this does is to create an imbalance in demand and supply. People from third world are not more brilliant. It is just that they have enough numbers to satisfy the demand.