Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

You yourself are one the biggest jokes of the forum

Even if I am, I will never say stupid stuff like this:

In any case, this is an unique Iranian technology:
a missile with a rocket engine that operates without fuel

Some people suggest it is Iran’s quantum technology that has been tested

 

[ShapurII]

Idiot this is not what I said

This what many militants and engineers suggested on X & social media

I'm really curious what engineers you follow on X that suggest a failed launch is the test of a rocket engine without fuel using quantum technology.

I really hoped this type of mentality would die with Salami, but it's still there apparently.

 

[ToddE]

This news should be posted in the Iranian missile thread

In any case, this is an unique Iranian technology:
a missile with a rocket engine that operates without fuel

Some people suggest it is Iran’s quantum technology that has been tested

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I see other commercial uses of this new technology but not in missiles.

 

[ShapurII]

Btw, I completely agree with your observation about the alleged decline of the West and China's rise. Anyone who has interacted with Chinese individuals will quickly realize why they are unlikely to achieve the same level of global soft power (and dominance) that the West, particularly the United States, possesses. Their demeanor tends to be cold, robotic, and highly transactional.

Pakistan is fortunate to possess two characteristics that make it appealing to the Chinese Communist Party:

It is a nuclear-armed military power and, due to its strategic location, serves as an emergency escape route for Chinese goods should the US ever decide to close the Strait of Malacca in case of war.

I recall watching a Franco-German documentary that delved into the China/US rivalry. A Chinese professor of International Relations spoke very openly on the subject during an interview, highlighting that America's status as a global hegemon is largely due to its extensive network of allies and international relationships, which China notably lacks.

What I am trying to say is: the West is here to stay. Any pro-IRI person suggesting otherwise is merely crafting a rationale for the day when the current regime resorts to brutal measures against its own citizens to maintain control.

Yes, you're absolutely right.
China will eventually surpass the US in science, economy and technology, but it is the US soft power that will help them maintain their hegemony.

China vs the US is like a high school where the US is a rich, tall and muscular kid who gets top school grades but is also extroverted and quite popular and is seen as super cool, while China is the nerd of the class that is a close second or sometimes even the best but has few friends and is introverted.

The main power of the West is not its military machine, it is its soft power. And that's going to stay with us for a long time. Probably more than 30 years. Not to mention that the US controls the internet, and China cannot compete with that. US controls our data and digital fingerprint, but China, not so much.

 

[mangekyo]

Good post, IRI system is designed to be inherently dysfunctional where institutions are bound in their own places by illogical ideas and if they work, they are designed to clash with eachother. IRI is like USSR in this way. It and will continue producing Soleimani like individuals of brilliance but their efforts will always see the dark end of the tunnel because system itself is the hurdle towards progress. To fix it, the only option is to kiss the "IRI" goodbye but if we do that, Iran will become another post Baathist Iraq of today, a foreign controlled crippled nation. Only solution is change from within the system post Khamenei.

I actually agree with you. But there is simply no room to change it from within anymore. And we are about 100 years too late for a new Reza Shah figure to take matters into his own hands. Anyone who tried today would face massive international pressure and end up just as isolated and alienated as IRI has become. And under the chaos he would create, the west would use the opportunity to destroy us completely.

 

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[Persian Gulf]

This news should be posted in the Iranian missile thread

In any case, this is an unique Iranian technology:
a missile with a rocket engine that operates without fuel

Some people suggest it is Iran’s quantum technology that has been tested

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this is an AI video designed to fool idiots

don't be one of those idiots

this was MoD test launch of Zoljanah, nothing to do with IRGC. so that twitter account is fake as well, we already know the IRGC does not have a twitter account.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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interesting: while Russia/China cannot block the reimposition of UNSC resolutions against Iran, they can block the operational mechanics of UNSC monitoring/enforcement of these sanctions, since those committees can be vetoed. meaning the sanctions will remain on paper only and will struggle to be enforced.

 

[ToddE]

I actually agree with you. But there is simply no room to change it from within anymore. And we are about 100 years too late for a new Reza Shah figure to take matters into his own hands. Anyone who tried today would face massive international pressure and end up just as isolated and alienated as IRI has become. And under the chaos he would create, the west would use the opportunity to destroy us completely.

Problem IRI has created is that in their decades long useless rhetoric against global Zios and Israel, they have cemented the Iran as a anti Jew entity in eyes of Jew controlled West. So yes even if IRI or post IRI Iran retreats back from this stupid illogical policy, Zios and their controlled west will not allow Iran to rise up again for as long as they can. Its just like how Japan and Germany are not allowed to return to their power status. Post USSR Russia was kept under thumb for as long as it was possible, Look at Post Baathist Iraq.

Ayatollah donedamage to Iran is permanent for generations and generations. Best Iran can manage is that post Khamenei, a cunning nationalist leadership shows up that plays cozy to world powers equally, but secretly they keep on strengthening the nation to the point that it becomes powerful enough to look for its own. It will take 15 years atleast. I am talking about 1/10th of original GDP, obsolete military, sanctions in name of Arabs, non-united nation etc, they will have to work from this bottom stage to above.

 

[mangekyo]

Best Iran can manage is that post Khamenei, a cunning nationalist leadership shows up that plays cozy to world powers equally, but secretly they keep on strengthening the nation to the point that it becomes powerful enough to look for its own.

That is exactly what the Shah did, and they are not going to fall for the same thing again. There is no guarantee that once Iran gets strong, it won’t pursue its own foreign policy again, and they know it. They simply won’t allow it.

In my opinion, our fate is no longer in our own hands. The only thing that could save us now is some massive distraction, a natural disaster, a global crisis, divine intervention, whatever you want to call it, something that takes attention away from us completely for a decade or two and gives us the chance to quietly rebuild.

And even then, it would only work if some truly authoritarian, Reza Shah-like figure (or group of figures) emerged at the same time to take charge. Because IRI is not going to fix itself. As we’ve already discussed, the system was designed this way, and reforms aren’t going to cut it.

It’s very unlikely, but sometimes, history surprises us, and impossible things do happen.

 

[kastor ville]

Good post, IRI system is designed to be inherently dysfunctional where institutions are bound in their own places by illogical ideas and if they work, they are designed to clash with eachother. IRI is like USSR in this way. It and will continue producing Soleimani like individuals of brilliance but their efforts will always see the dark end of the tunnel because system itself is the hurdle towards progress. To fix it, the only option is to kiss the "IRI" goodbye but if we do that, Iran will become another post Baathist Iraq of today, a foreign controlled crippled nation. Only solution is change from within the system post Khamenei.

That's basically what I said....Khamenei needs to be removed from political power...I said he should relegated to a spiritual role only. To answer the other posters question, how are we going to do it? First let people run for office...whoever it maybe, let the people decide who they want as president...second, let the president decide on policy, not the Supreme leader or the IRGC. With those two in the bag..you move on to reforming other institutions.. judiciary, intelligence..etc
I never said it was going to be easy....it's a hard pill to swallow, but if they really are patriots then they can see this system is being chocked slowly...if they don't do it, it will be done for them...and most of them will be tried and executed or jailed...it's better if they become the solution rather than the face of the problem.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

this is an AI video designed to fool idiots

Who said we have set cameras in space to capture videos from our ICBM?!!!

don't be one of those idiots

You're a rude person and without consequences you insult everyone you wish

Indirectly you insult members here(including me)
You insult our generals, militants, parliament members etc... on daily basis

 

[mangekyo]

That's basically what I said....Khamenei needs to be removed from political power...I said he should relegated to a spiritual role only. To answer the other posters question, how are we going to do it? First let people run for office...whoever it maybe, let the people decide who they want as president...second, let the president decide on policy, not the Supreme leader or the IRGC. With those two in the bag..you move on to reforming other institutions.. judiciary, intelligence..etc
I never said it was going to be easy....it's a hard pill to swallow, but if they really are patriots then they can see this system is being chocked slowly...if they don't do it, it will be done for them...and most of them will be tried and executed or jailed...it's better if they become the solution rather than the face of the problem.

I get your point completely. But my question is: how is that actually going to happen?

How and who's going to “remove Khamenei from political power” and turn him into a symbolic figure? Who is going to allow free elections and let people truly run for office? Who is going to stop the IRGC from interfering in policy when they are one of the main power centers that benefits from the current setup?

It’s not that I disagree with you. I just genuinely don’t see the mechanism. The system isn’t built to reform itself in such a fundamental way, and I haven’t seen anyone explain how these changes could realistically be forced through from within.

 

[kastor ville]

I get your point completely. But my question is: how is that actually going to happen?

How and who's going to “remove Khamenei from political power” and turn him into a symbolic figure? Who is going to allow free elections and let people truly run for office? Who is going to stop the IRGC from interfering in policy when they are one of the main power centers that benefits from the current setup?

It’s not that I disagree with you. I just genuinely don’t see the mechanism. The system isn’t built to reform itself in such a fundamental way, and I haven’t seen anyone explain how these changes could realistically be forced through from within.

Ok...did Rouhani and Larijani criticize the Guardian council? They said people who are unelected should not decide who can run for office or not. So, if we had people from within the system speaking up then there is a chance of reform happening...once the Guardian council is dissolved then we can move to the 2nd stage. Now, you ask why would they allow it? Well they would allow it because if they don't they may have an insurrection on their hand or worse... If the insurrectionists win those people who didn't want to reform will have to leave Iran....because the people will be looking to try them, jail them, or worse. So, the answer to why they would do it is that they need to do it for their own survival. Do you know what I mean? If they continue on this road...the IRI will slowly die, the people will get angrier every year, till it spills over into the street...then they become fugitives. Can you imagine what would happen to those judges? What would happen to Basij commanders? You know what will happen to them.
So in my mind, they need to reform to save themselves.

 

[kastor ville]

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interesting: while Russia/China cannot block the reimposition of UNSC resolutions against Iran, they can block the operational mechanics of UNSC monitoring/enforcement of these sanctions, since those committees can be vetoed. meaning the sanctions will remain on paper only and will struggle to be enforced.

Fantastic news....but is there a chance this could really happen? Do they have the will to do this? I certainly hope so