Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

State Farm Stadium can only seat 70,000, and with standing, no more than 160,000


Can you find 160,000 right-wing nut jobs to fill it? Well, they certainly can.....or else the right-wing network would not be viable.

Still, the number can't beat Taylor Swift, so she is probably more dangerous.....
That was my whole point that having a large number of people at your funeral doesn't mean the person who died was a good person, in fact the person could be a horrible person and responsible for deaths of millions.
But the current situation of USA really concern me, I thought moving here life would be less Chaotic and simple but things looking dire, lets hope the sane minds prevail.
 
That was my whole point that having a large number of people at your funeral doesn't mean the person who died was a good person, in fact the person could be a horrible person and responsible for deaths of millions.
But the current situation of USA really concern me, I thought moving here life would be less Chaotic and simple but things looking dire, lets hope the sane minds prevail.
I can only say this, if a sane mind prevailed, I probably would not have left in 2012........This is the direct result of something a lot longer; it start with the splintering of the Republican party toward the "socialist" Obama and it just got worse every 4 years. The only way forward is for people to meet in the middle and like Tom Walker said, political discourse is dead, you are going to be bashed by both left and right when you are in the middle, people would rather to make a big deal other than just listen to what the other side have to say, and that's goes both left and right.

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This is the issue why the political landscape is so chaotic, and it WILL BE like this in the foreseeable future.
 
Over 200,000 people in attendance disagree with you.
There were millions of people that agreed with Hitler. There were millions of people that actively supported slavery in America. Masses of people are perfectly capable of supporting awful figures and ideas.

I don't care what these people have to say, they're as bad as him, and I wish them the worst.

Charlie Kirk was a c*nt, and I'm glad he's dead.
 
I can only say this, if a sane mind prevailed, I probably would not have left in 2012........This is the direct result of something a lot longer; it start with the splintering of the Republican party toward the "socialist" Obama and it just got worse every 4 years. The only way forward is for people to meet in the middle and like Tom Walker said, political discourse is dead, you are going to be bashed by both left and right when you are in the middle, people would rather to make a big deal other than just listen to what the other side have to say, and that's goes both left and right.

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This is the issue why the political landscape is so chaotic, and it WILL BE like this in the foreseeable future.


I'm sure if Jimmy Kimmel said a word negative about Israel not only would his show get canceled in a rabid uproar...groups would then demand the CEO of the network (and the entire directorship) to step down too for letting "such a person" have a show ...and this would be regardless of what President was in office.

So I wouldn't be so quick to paint Trump as the sole power behind things.
 
I have no dog in this debate, not a US citizen nor a US immigrant, but I will say this... Whatever the differences. Taking someone's life because you disagree with their brand of politics is never okay.
The only voice of reason I've seen so far in this thread.

Thank you.
 
I'm sure if Jimmy Kimmel said a word negative about Israel not only would his show get canceled in a rabid uproar...groups would then demand the CEO of the network (and the entire directorship) to step down too for letting "such a person" have a show ...and this would be regardless of what President was in office.

So I wouldn't be so quick to paint Trump as the sole power behind things.
Barack Obama called Bob Iger to complain about a mean tweet Roseanne Barr made about Michelle Obama.

Bob Iger immediately fired Roseanne Barr and then called Obama back to apologize.
 

Am in three different discussion groups about the above. Depending on how good the manufacturer records are, determining the year of manufacture is not a problem. In the graphic in the article, it is stating a 1906 manufacture date. I happen to own a Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55 that was manufactured in 1906.

If this particular rifle is from 1906 and a WW trophy, then no doubt it has seen the hands of a gunsmith. German Army rifles were in 7.92mm. Spanish rifles in 7mm. Same with Argentine and several other South American countries. Can't remember what the Turk Mausers were.

The bolt handle was turned down. Many of the early German Mausers had a straight bolt handle. So in reality, all we know about this particular rifle is that it is a Mauser action rebarreled for .30-06 Springfield.

After that, with the various articles I've been seeing about the wounds, Kirks' bone density, etc., part of me is wondering in the FBI is either grasping at straws or pulling things from a certain orifice.

It's getting stranger and stranger.
 
I'm sure if Jimmy Kimmel said a word negative about Israel not only would his show get canceled in a rabid uproar...groups would then demand the CEO of the network (and the entire directorship) to step down too for letting "such a person" have a show ...and this would be regardless of what President was in office.

So I wouldn't be so quick to paint Trump as the sole power behind things.
Well, he wasn't saying anything about Israel, that's the first thing, and Trump IS the president.

Moreover, this is what Trump said before and after Jimmy Kimmel was taken off the air, I mean 2 months ago, when he celebrated Colbert being taken off the air, he said Kimmel will be next, that's 2 months ago, and after ABC took Kimmel off, he said this on Air Force One.

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He literally said at 0:38 and I quote

"When you have a network, and you have evening shows, and all they do is hit Trump, that's all they do, if you go back, I think they never had a conservative one, but if you go back, all they do is hit Trump, they had licenses, they are not allowed to do that."

You don't need to be a detective like me to connect the obvious dot that it was Trump who doesn't like people talking trash to him, and have Kimmel on his sight, in his mind, with his own words, they are NOT ALLOWED to do that, and then told the FCC guy to ram him down the road.

I mean, find me one SITTING president who sues as many media corporations as Trump, there is a reason why 1st Amendment applies to GOVERNMENT and GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE ONLY, it's to prevent this exact situation. Private corporations don't need to follow 1st Amendment.

Being canceled is one thing, but does Kimmel deserve to be canceled over his comment? Sure, why not, let your right wing organisation pressure people to cancel him, not letting him host any Oscar anymore, if you think he is over his line, but when the President of the United States come out and says "you are not allowed to do that" and the head of FCC going on a podcast acting like a gangster and said "we can do it the hard way or the easy way" literally, this is the same line last time I heard form some gangbanger when I was still a cop. This is no longer cancelling, this become censoring.

Again, my idea of whether something is good or something is bad is very simple: if it can blow back and bite you in the arse, that's bad. Think about it like this, if AOC or Sander become the next President and started talking about Fox or Newsmax being trashed, and then ask the FCC to review their license, and go on a public Lefty podcast and say to Fox or Newsmax or OAN "You are going too far, you need to reign in your people, and we can do it the hard way or easy way" Do you think this is good or bad?
 
Barack Obama called Bob Iger to complain about a mean tweet Roseanne Barr made about Michelle Obama.

Bob Iger immediately fired Roseanne Barr and then called Obama back to apologize.
I am pretty sure Roseanne Barr was fired because she pissed off George Soros and was labelled an antisemite.

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Not that this is okay, but I doubt this has anything to do with Obama's wife, I mean, there are two things you CAN'T be when you are in showbiz, an antisemite and a communist.......I mean, capitalists and Jewish people control the media.......
 
I can only say this, if a sane mind prevailed, I probably would not have left in 2012........This is the direct result of something a lot longer; it start with the splintering of the Republican party toward the "socialist" Obama and it just got worse every 4 years. The only way forward is for people to meet in the middle and like Tom Walker said, political discourse is dead, you are going to be bashed by both left and right when you are in the middle, people would rather to make a big deal other than just listen to what the other side have to say, and that's goes both left and right.

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This is the issue why the political landscape is so chaotic, and it WILL BE like this in the foreseeable future.

I can't disagree that US is now much more divided than it was 2 Govts before, but question is how did you guys get to this point? I mean America always have a 2 party system where one side criticize the other, and supporters of one party see other side as political and ideological rival not traitors to the country and enemies.
both side when in power is trying to further the divide rather than bringing the people together. While the real issues of USA remains largely unchanged you have America as a nation divided over Genocide and which bathroom which gender will choose.
May be America needs some soul searching or America is going through its mid life crisis, I don't know, this topic is too complicated to understand over a post or discussion, but its true that the current situation of America really do concern me from what you post on social media to apply for citizenship, now as the govt threaten to strip away citizenship of those who used naturalization method which is 100% legal but one wrong post or action can get you in jail or strip you of your citizenship despite one being a good citizen for years, paying taxes and abiding the law.

People shouldn't live on edge when it comes to their lives or practice free speech and other rights give by Constitution but I don't think we can say the people's rights are fully protected.
 
I can't disagree that US is now much more divided than it was 2 Govts before, but question is how did you guys get to this point? I mean America always have a 2 party system where one side criticize the other, and supporters of one party see other side as political and ideological rival not traitors to the country and enemies.
both side when in power is trying to further the divide rather than bringing the people together. While the real issues of USA remains largely unchanged you have America as a nation divided over Genocide and which bathroom which gender will choose.
May be America needs some soul searching or America is going through its mid life crisis, I don't know, this topic is too complicated to understand over a post or discussion, but its true that the current situation of America really do concern me from what you post on social media to apply for citizenship, now as the govt threaten to strip away citizenship of those who used naturalization method which is 100% legal but one wrong post or action can get you in jail or strip you of your citizenship despite one being a good citizen for years, paying taxes and abiding the law.

People shouldn't live on edge when it comes to their lives or practice free speech and other rights give by Constitution but I don't think we can say the people's rights are fully protected.
While there are many, like MANY factors I can put in as to why the country has become as divisive as today, the issue stems from education and the weaponisation of information.

In the old days (When I mean old, I mean 20 plus years ago), you had people that would think for themselves, and think of the next generation, this is all but gone now, that's because majority of American don't get the education they deserved, I mean look at it this way, I was from the US, I lived in Canada, Australia, Sweden, Hong Kong, the common theme for Canada, Australia, Sweden and Hong Kong is Higher Education is either readily accessible or is completely free. I had studied in the Chinese University of Hong Kong for free for 2 years under a "Grant-Loan" scheme, and my wife attended University in Malmö for free; that's just how higher education in Sweden is. I had done 2 degrees in Australia because the government has a low-cost loan that you don't need to pay if you don't earn money, and a subsidy I can apply (called Austudy) that can supplement my income while I study. None of these, all these, are available in the US, which means Americans (53%)are lower than Canada (66%), Australia (55%) or even Russia (62%) in terms of higher education Attainment level, in term of percentage, it may be similar, but when you look at the absolute value, over 150 million American are without degree (That's the entire population in Russia), only ~10 million Canadian, 8 million Australian are without a degree.

Now, people without a degree are not an issue, if we were back in the days, because we didn't have social media, and the internet back in the early 2000s, so people would still try to digest news themselves, and think for themselves. But with social media now, we don't get our news from newspapers, which just report on the news, and have you digest it, we now have pre-digested news from social media platforms. I mean, if you follow Benny Johnson, you will get nothing but right-wing news, or if you follow Medhi Hasan, you will get nothing but left-wing news. So people started to just listen to what these personalities have to say, and believe this is true. And they don't process information themselves anymore, that's created a definite divide because people who follow Benny Johnson are most likely not going to follow Medhi Hasan and vice versa, so you have two complete opposite spectrums, and people fall in line, form groups based on these two spectrums. That's how a population is defined.

But then you might think, wasn't it the same 20 years ago when you had Fox on the right and CNN on the left? Yes, but back then, we didn't have a cultural war happening. I remember what George Carlin said, when you have to define a problem using the word "Wars" like war on drugs, war on terror, war on crime, war on poverty, gender war, and so on, that's benefits nobody but it's just a vessel that takes away discourse and makes money off it. I mean, you don't see it as a problem where it should be, but something you need to win over it, that's what war mean, I know becuase I fought in war myself, there are only one goal, which is to win, which mean you don't actually address the problem, you are just trying to win an argument. This leads to a very dangerous game when we are talking about Politics, especially in the American political structure. The Founding Fathers chose the way Congress, the Senate, and the office of the President work is to make compromise, that's it. It's that simple, because nobody could control all 3 lobbies in absolutely at the same time, you can control the Congress, the Senate and Presidency, but without 2/3 of vote, it won't work in most case, unlike European or Australian system, where you win, then winner takes all, which when this "Warring" culture comes in, instead of focusing on the issue at hand, you just try to win the argument, and your goal is not to further the American agenda, improve people life, no sir, your goal in congress is to not let the other party win, that's why you were there to vote down proposal from the other party, that's because you can't let them win. So when you don't have enough in the house, you need bipartisan support. That's not going anywhere. That's why it takes 10 years to process a bill to modernise roads, ports, and airports.

But at the same time, the problem will not go away when you are playing the political game, which then, as a citizen, you started to hate the other party, Democrats started hating Republican,s and Republicans started hating Democrats, and you keep that fed year after year, you grew further apart, that's how and why America is so divisive now.

And you know it's true because, going back to the Jonathan Pie video I posted, we are coming down to a point where you want to know which political affiliation the shooter who killed Charlie Kirk was, or the shooter who killed Melissa Hortmann was, and be glad it was not "one of yours" (If it sound familiar, that's the same as you hope that the next mass shooter is not Muslim and being called a terrorist, that's the same thing) that is where you know you are divided, because whatever that shooter believe in, be it Republican or Democrats, or Islam or Christianity or Buddism, it has nothing to do with the act itself, the act was carried out by one man, I mean, did we question Lee Harvey Oswald what his political afflilation was after he shot JFK? No, he is an American, and he has done this horrible act, and whether you are from the Left or Right, you shouldn't feel glad, elated, or ashamed for him being or not being one of you. That burden was shared as long as you were an American...
 
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There were millions of people that agreed with Hitler. There were millions of people that actively supported slavery in America. Masses of people are perfectly capable of supporting awful figures and ideas.

I don't care what these people have to say, they're as bad as him, and I wish them the worst.

Charlie Kirk was a c*nt, and I'm glad he's dead.

Comparing a person who used his tongue with those who killed millions is bit absurd.
He started his career as anti muslim however before his death his mind was changed. Allah forgives those who change their mind.
Alot of Muslim scholars actually support him.
 
Comparing a person who used his tongue with those who killed millions is bit absurd.
He started his career as anti muslim however before his death his mind was changed. Allah forgives those who change their mind.
Alot of Muslim scholars actually support him.
Hitler didn't directly kill anyone during ww2, he used his words to do so.

There is evidence to show that Charlie Kirk radicalized a bunch of white kids to commit mass shootings, as he's been referenced in a number of manifesto.

His mind was NOT changed, are you crazy? He spewed anti-muslim rhetoric til the last day of his life. He spewed racism until the last day of his life. He spread misinformation until the last day of his life.

No Muslim scholar supports Charlie Kirk. Anyone scholar that claims to support him is a clown.

He was a fascist until his dying breath.
 
Hitler didn't directly kill anyone during ww2, he used his words to do so.

There is evidence to show that Charlie Kirk radicalized a bunch of white kids to commit mass shootings, as he's been referenced in a number of manifesto.

His mind was NOT changed, are you crazy? He spewed anti-muslim rhetoric til the last day of his life. He spewed racism until the last day of his life. He spread misinformation until the last day of his life.

No Muslim scholar supports Charlie Kirk. Anyone scholar that claims to support him is a clown.

He was a fascist until his dying breath.

Here is just one example. Alot of Muslims who hated him are slowly realizing that Charlie was changing his mind.
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