Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[chinasun]

Shahid Hashmat: Pakistani President’s Visit to Chengdu Aircraft Signals J-10CE Will Become the Preferred Choice for More Nations


Senior advisor to Pakistan's National Command Authority and retired Lieutenant General Kidwai revealed the tail numbers of the destroyed Indian Rafales: BS001, BS021, BS022, and BS027, so the relevant loss information is no longer just speculation.




The Pakistani President's visit to the final-assembly park of Chengdu Aircraft Corporation signals that the J-10CE is set to become the preferred choice for many nations—especially developing countries seeking a rapid boost in air-power—thanks to its competitive cost-performance ratio within its class. battle-hardened Pakistan will now deepen its all-weather strategic partnership with China, expand its overall defense capabilities and reinforce deterrence. Looking ahead, observers increasingly speculate that Pakistan could become the first country outside China to induct the J-20 family into its operational fleet.



A Pakistani scholar writing on a Chinese website hinted that a Middle Eastern country has funded the purchase of J-10CEs and also expressed interest in the twin-seat version of the J-20.

 

[Tamerlane]

I fully agree...instead of giving loans, handouts, subsidized oil, etc...
...it would be far better if KSA gave Pakistan a preferential treatment in terms of providing jobs. KSA has a shortage of manpower for the size of its economy...hence why u see so many ppl from Pakistan, India, Philippines, etc.

...so if part of this defense pact...could prioritize Pakistan...in terms of for example...
- there's a need for 5000 nurses...take them from Pakistan.
- there's a need for 2500 Mechanical Engineers...take them from Pakistan.

This way...it would be the same as getting them from some other country. Wouldn't require any extra money KSA would have to give Pakistan. The companies hiring this labor would pay them...from the profits they gain(as they run their business)...just how any business pays its employees.

KSA has a lot of money and not enough manpower...Pakistan has a lot of manpower and not enough money. This would uplift Pakistan(without handouts) and KSA wouldn't have to give handouts/loans/etc which can fast become tiring and a liability when the corrupt politicians squander it.

@The SC

Although it would be a good in the short term for more Pakistanis to get jobs in KSA, it’s not a good long term solution for the country. For one thing, it means more brain drain of qualified people. Second, it creates an impression in Pakistani rulers that they don’t need to fix the local economy. Instead of producing goods and services for export Pakistan has become dependent on remittances.

For decades, during the Cold War, when Pakistan was in the US camp it missed the opportunity to develop its economy. Now, that there’s another chance of large scale investment from China and the GCC Pakistan should not miss the opportunity again.

For that they need to fix those internal problems that dissuade both Pakistani and foreign investors from investing in the country.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

war and suffering

This is exactly the role of miliekowsky. This is exactly what the lubavitcher rebbe had demanded of miliekowsky.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Although it would be a good in the short term for more Pakistanis to get jobs in KSA, it’s not a good long term solution for the country. For one thing, it means more brain drain of qualified people. Second, it creates an impression in Pakistani rulers that they don’t need to fix the local economy. Instead of producing goods and services for export Pakistan has become dependent on remittances.

For decades, during the Cold War, when Pakistan was in the US camp it missed the opportunity to develop its economy. Now, that there’s another chance of large scale investment from China and the GCC Pakistan should not miss the opportunity again.

For that they need to fix those internal problems that dissuade both Pakistani and foreign investors from investing in the country.

The brain drain would happen regardless...if not KSA...then some other country...ppl who CAN leave WILL leave...
...the government is inept at creating jobs, industrialization, doesn't make reforms in ease of doing business...
...and most of all those with money have oldschool "zameendaar" type of mentality. They will rather use their money to buy land, real estate, gold, etc. Or another sugar mill, textiles industry, etc. U will see hardly anyone taking risks and going into something new and cutting edge(maybe IT sector is probably the only notable exception). This too is partially bcuz ppl want to mitigate the risk of losing their investments due to government policies, kickbacks/bribes required, red tape, etc.

So all that "brain" is wasted anyways.
...at least by exporting it..it flows money into the economy. It's not ideal but can work in the short to medium term to help the economy teetering on default.

I don't see any other viable options to help Pakistan get out of crushing debt in the short to medium term...bcuz I don't expect much from the politicians and the establishment.

 

[maxpane]

The brain drain would happen regardless...if not KSA...then some other country...ppl who CAN leave WILL leave...
...the government is inept at creating jobs, industrialization, doesn't make reforms in ease of doing business...
...and most of all those with money have oldschool "zameendaar" type of mentality. They will rather use their money to buy land, real estate, gold, etc. Or another sugar mill, textiles industry, etc. U will see hardly anyone taking risks and going into something new and cutting edge(maybe IT sector is probably the only notable exception). This too is partially bcuz ppl want to mitigate the risk of losing their investments due to government policies, kickbacks/bribes required, red tape, etc.

So all that "brain" is wasted anyways.
...at least by exporting it..it flows money into the economy. It's not ideal but can work in the short to medium term to help the economy teetering on default.

I don't see any other viable options to help Pakistan get out of crushing debt in the short to medium term...bcuz I don't expect much from the politicians and the establishment.

excellent post very insghtful. i think people who will go to gulf mostly come back . may be build something with the experience they had.
Just look at IT sector, its all developed and nourished by middle class. As for govt policies are concerned Pakistan still dnt have pay pal faciliy available to youth which is perfectly working in far worst countries than Pakistan.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Both Pakistanis and Indians are exaggerating the scope of this agreement.
Indians are panicking and asking Saudis to understand sensitivity - Modi really did screw up. India has more than enough existing goodwill and resources to recover but it gave the window to Pakistan to edge itself in. Result is that eventually India will be back to its level but the Pakistani relationship is the net gain. India is net neutral in terms of loss and gain after Sindhoor.

If Pakistan can use this opportunity to expand its military footprint and show itself to be an effective security provider...
...then more countries would want to join..like Qatar for example.

If Pakistan squanders this...and is shown to be an ineffective security provider...then not only would this fall apart...it will shut the door on any future such opportunities.

 

[MapleKing]

Based on my study of Islamic prophecies, there are two battles foretold. One is the Al-Malḥamat Al-Kubra which is between the Muslims and Romans. This is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest battle in human history.

Muslims will win, inshallah, but only after suffering severe losses. The Romans will leave the region but Israel will still remain, and then the Antichrist (Dajjal) will appear after the war. He will be leading a Jewish army, so he’ll be the leader of Israel.

Next to appear is Isa AS (Jesus) who will kill the Antichrist in a location which is identified as near Tel Aviv airport today. This is the second battle and includes the total annihilation of Israeli forces. This war will be much less intense than the first one.

After that, Muslims will be united, inshallah, and the capital of the Caliphate will be Jerusalem. Many Christians will become Muslim and the promise in the Quran of making Islam dominant over all religions will be fulfilled. There will be peace on earth and a golden age for mankind, probably lasting centuries.

The coming of the messiah is one of the 13 fundamental beliefs of Judaism and he’s going to come when there are wars and suffering. As we can see, they’re deliberately speeding things up. They need Al-Malḥamat Al-Kubra (WW3) so that their messiah will come.

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

Islamic eschatology is based on individual reports of future events. To get a cohesive narrative, they must be analysed, consolidated, and assigned a chronological order. This narrative can differ depending on the depth of a person's knowledge and research. From what little I have looked into this matter, listening to scholars and reading source material, the following is the general outline of what will occur:

Spoiler: Islamic eschatology

1. When final tribulations begin, a war will occur that will weaken or outright destroy major Middle-Eastern powers:
   1. The first nation to be destroyed will be Persia, splitting into three: Turks will take a piece; Iraqis will take a piece.
   2. Next to be destroyed are the Gulf Arabs. Most people will move to Bilad al-Sham.
   3. Israel, if it exists at the time, will come out severely weakened.
2. A power from the East (Pak-Afgh?), which will be better at fighting than the Arabs, will come to their aid. No one will be able to stop them until they plant their flags in Jerusalem. Caliphate will be restored and Muslims should pledge their allegiance at this time. Not everyone will initially (e.g. Turkic bloc, North-African nations etc.).
3. Muslims will make peace with the Romans to fight a "common enemy." After victory, the peace will breakdown.
4. Muslims will then fight on two fronts:
   1. Al-Malhama Al-Kubra (aka Armageddon): Romans will invade from Turkey under eighty flags and will be fought in Syria. It will be the bloodiest battle in history.
   2. Ghazwa-e-Hind: Muslims will invade India and stay there until Isa a.s. returns.
5. Having won Al-Malhama Al-Kubra, Turkey will be invaded by Muslims. Constantinople will capitulate without a fight triggering the arrival of anti-Christ.
6. Muslims won't be able fight the anti-Christ so much so that he'll reach the gates of Medina. Jerusalem and Damascus will be put under siege. He'll also cause droughts and famines by manipulating weather patterns.
7. Allah will return Isa a.s., to Damascus, who will catch up to the anti-Christ at the gate of Lod and kill him (Ben Gurion airport is on the outskirts of city of Lod).
8. After people return to their lands, Yajuj Majuj (East-Asian nations?) will be let lose.
9. Muslims will take refuge in mountains for they won't have the ability to fight Yajuj Majuj. Allah will destroy them after a prayer by Isa a.s., bringing about a period of world peace.
10. Final signs, destruction of the world, and the day of judgement.

 

[RajaBaja]

they lost their nuclear codes.

No, nothing like that happened. Our military doesn't explain every single thing. It was multiple things, one was the tonnage of TNT that was expended on India. In 5 days we dumped similar TNT tonnage that we used in the entire war of 1965. That's a massive number of ammo dumped on India.

Secondly, electric grids outages across India. It caused serious panic and created uncertainty in multiple directions so it was best to call for a ceasefire.

India's attack plans and estimates said that we now have Rafale's, we'll do airstrikes and Pakistan will be forced to accept and back down because this time, standoff missiles will be used so they can't target IAF like we did in 2019. That was proven wrong also. The IAF had to ground itself, we took out S-400's also. So the risk for further damage to Indian assets was far greater than their plans. So all these factors made them do a ceasefire.

 

[TopGun786]

Most baffling, this absolute inaction by Pakistan.

Especially given that your Fauj is running things again...

action hi nahi lia ??

Iran stepped up, their proxies tried what they could.. but only "Islami nuclear taqat" .. fuss ?

or just following the spineless Arabs hi sahi hai ?

where's your spine ?

So you were hiding in a hole since May 2025 and only now you are out and talking about "spines".

 

[Cookie Monster]

Erm no to the UAE devils.

Qatar is cool but it's tough at the moment with the Israeli strike.

To be honest Pakistan can't and shouldn't guarantee anything to the Gulf. Keep it at Saudi.

I agree..keep it there...build the capability together with them...to actually be able to carry out joint defense...
...less talk more action...and others in the region would line up for a similar arrangement.

...adding other countries all willy nilly will only complicate the matter right now. Joint defense pact has the pro of combined resources but a bigger con of added complexities of geopolitics.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Is this finally the end to the 50 year quest for strategic depth?

It would've been if a decade ago...
..when US was looking for an end to the quagmire and money drain of the Afghan war...Pak could've cut a deal with them.

They allow(with soft and hard power...getting other countries and UN onboard) to let Pakistan annex Pukhtoon regions of Afghanistan...
...Pakistan could use the justification of settling Afghan refugees there free from war.
...US can slowly withdraw and Pakistan will take over keeping any militancy in check.
...US would pay enough money to bank roll this move by Pak...in return US companies can set up shop to extract Afghan minerals.

- It would've given Pakistan direct access through land routes to Central Asian Republics.

- Would've ended/weakened by dealing a massive blow to Afghan Durand line, not having access to sea and all the other stuff that plagues peaceful western borders...by literally dividing up Afghanistan, it's manpower, and resources. Leaving a token Afghanistan in its place...which would have been at the complete mercy of Pakistan to trade with China and India...not only restricted for sea routes but also land routes.

- And it would've given some much needed strategic depth to Pakistan.

 

[mythbuster]

It would've been if a decade ago...
..when US was looking for an end to the quagmire and money drain of the Afghan war...Pak could've cut a deal with them.

They allow(with soft and hard power...getting other countries and UN onboard) to let Pakistan annex Pukhtoon regions of Afghanistan...
...Pakistan could use the justification of settling Afghan refugees there free from war.
...US can slowly withdraw and Pakistan will take over keeping any militancy in check.
...US would pay enough money to bank roll this move by Pak...in return US companies can set up shop to extract Afghan minerals.

- It would've given Pakistan direct access through land routes to Central Asian Republics.

- Would've ended/weakened by dealing a massive blow to Afghan Durand line, not having access to sea and all the other stuff that plagues peaceful western borders...by literally dividing up Afghanistan, it's manpower, and resources. Leaving a token Afghanistan in its place...which would have been at the complete mercy of Pakistan to trade with China and India...not only restricted for sea routes but also land routes.

- And it would've given some much needed strategic depth to Pakistan.

Do you really believe your monstrous wishes are implementable?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Do you really believe your monstrous wishes are implementable?

Maybe they are not...
...but a proactive country still tries to make moves to benefit itself.

This talk could've been had with US behind closed doors...the worst outcome would've been..that they said no. So what? No harm no foul.

Why not try to use every opportunity to ur max benefit?

 

[mythbuster]

Maybe they are not...
...but a proactive country still tries to make moves to benefit itself.

This talk could've been had with US behind closed doors...the worst outcome would've been..that they said no. So what? No harm no foul.

Why not try to use every opportunity to ur max benefit?

We can do it ourselves , in the present geopolitical environment criticism and opposition level won't exceed our tolerance threshold.

 

[Cookie Monster]

True.. but that won't last long.. for example..KSA can buy 50 J-20s from China in one batch and there are about 30 J-30s coming to Pakistan in about a year from now..

It's not just equipment and toys. Both KSA and Pakistan would need to take step to have in place their own data links and networked assets...
...that can operate on their own...but when needed can have interoperability. This is what would allow both militaries to work together(and of course regularly held exercises together for training).