Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Why would the Americans bother seizing the rich Arab assets when all the regimes are compliant collaborators ? Not only that but all the GCC money goes into the West , with a few pennies paid to expat south asian workers.

America just put the Fear of God into every country, minus China, which has huge investments in America by seizing $300 billion of Russian assets (and before that, I think were the Iranian assets--and even the Afghan assets as promised to pre Taliban regime). As one would disparage the Arab govts for not showing some 'spine' to the Americans over the Gaza slaughter, it would help to understand how that 'spine' would affect hundreds of millions in not just in the Arab World but also in the very poor countries who rely on the stability and prosperity of the Arab World. BTW, What are YOUR thoughts on that?? I think I could tell you are yet another Imran Khan supporter living in a bubble of that guy's world so may be not an honest answer is expected; and you live in America as yet another expat Pakistani living in a bubble of the Great Messiah Khan's making!
 
its fift gen which is lacking both for ksa and pakistan
True.. but that won't last long.. for example..KSA can buy 50 J-20s from China in one batch and there are about 30 J-30s coming to Pakistan in about a year from now..
 
True.. but that won't last long.. for example..KSA can buy 50 J-20s from China in one batch and there are about 30 J-30s coming to Pakistan in about a year from now..
fifth gen plus integrated system plus nuclear then we have a rebalance middleeast which is disturbed by israel
 
Part of the strategic defense agreement is to declare to the world (mostly to

whom it may concern) in a more ambiguous way than Israel that :

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Iran and KSA are opposite sides. After this KSA-Pak agreement, i think any chances of Pakistan aligning with Iran are almost diminished / gone. Also during Iran-Israel war, Iranian general claimed that Pakistan will help Iran if Israel use nukes but Pakistan instantly rejected that and said that we never offered such thing.

Pakistan in any capacity cannot offer nuclear arsenal to any other country. Or nuking another country for someone else. See above General Tarik khan interview too. Nuking israel means a most brutal response from the US & Europe and you do know that perfectly.

Its one thing to look good & strong. But we have to see things which are factual and has anything to do with reality.
Time has change a lot
 
America just put the Fear of God into every country, minus China, which has huge investments in America by seizing $300 billion of Russian assets (and before that, I think were the Iranian assets--and even the Afghan assets as promised to pre Taliban regime). As one would disparage the Arab govts for not showing some 'spine' to the Americans over the Gaza slaughter, it would help to understand how that 'spine' would affect hundreds of millions in not just in the Arab World but also in the very poor countries who rely on the stability and prosperity of the Arab World. BTW, What are YOUR thoughts on that?? I think I could tell you are yet another Imran Khan supporter living in a bubble of that guy's world so may be not an honest answer is expected; and you live in America as yet another expat Pakistani living in a bubble of the Great Messiah Khan's making!
Your analysis about me being an Imran Khan supporter is wrong and I don't know where you got the idea in the first place. What's this huge confusion about living in America that forum members have ? Is it not possible to live in a country and disagree with its state policies ?

I also don't believe America was going to seize the assets of rich Arabs regimes if they fulfilled a few humble requests on Gaza like trade boycott or severing diplomatic relations. But they are loyal lapdogs of Washington so why even consider the scenario.

Regarding the foreign workers in GCC and remittances, the rich Arabs have never cared about them, including Pakistanis. You seem to forget all the localization schemes launched in the 2000s which were supposed to have reduced foreign workers in GCC to a minimum by now. Thankfully lazy GCC people are not capable of replacing the foreign worker.
 
One is very sure that Pakistan is going to buy a lot of weapons now — J-20s, J-35s and other defence systems from China. There is no doubt about it, because the Saudis need to diversify their weapons suppliers: their current military infrastructure is largely American-based, and Pakistan has deep knowledge of Chinese systems.
 
Part of the strategic defense agreement is to declare to the world (mostly to

whom it may concern) in a more ambiguous way than Israel that :

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No it isn't. Some irresponsible statements like this have already been walked back by Pakistani officials. Neither the US nor Israel will allow any other country in Mideast to possess nukes and Pakistanis are not fools to put themselves in the crosshairs.
 

Saudi Nuclear Defense Pact with Pakistan Opens the Door for China to Build its Hualong One PWRs in Saudi Arabia

September 19, 2025

Saudi Arabia has inked a bilateral defense agreement with Pakistan that places Saudi Arabia under Pakistan’s nuclear umbrella. The defense arrangement is seen as a deterrent against Iran and also Israel. According to a Reuters report, the “Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement” signed between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on 09/17/25 effectively uses Riyadh’s money to leverage Pakistan’s nuclear-arms as a protective shield.

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The arrangement also provides a doorway for China, which has built two highly subsidized Hualong One PWR in Karachi, to follow up with a deal with Saudi Arabia to build multiple units in Saudi Arabia. China’s plan in building the two reactors in Pakistan promoted them as being part of its global “Belt & Road” program. It has also given Saudi nuclear officials multiple opportunities to kick the tires of the Hualong One PWR as an equal choice to anything the West has to offer.

Such a deal would also end the ongoing and seemingly intractable disputes between Saudi Arabia and the US over its right to enrichment as a non-negotiable precondition for U.S. or South Korea to build reactors for Saudi Arabia. It would freeze out these two nations while allowing China to win the table for exports of its reactors to Saudi Arabia.

What’s in the Pakistan Agreement with Saudi Arabia?

The deal with Pakistan states that “any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both,” according to statements issued by both Pakistan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry and the state-run Saudi Press Agency.

“This agreement … aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression,” the statement said.

A Shortcut to Having the Equivalent of Its Own Nuclear Weapons Program

As a practical matter the Saudi/Pakistan deal is the equivalent of Saudi Arabia having a nuclear weapons program without committing to the enormous expense and foreign affairs complications that would come solely with a domestic effort.

Saudi Arabia has declined to sign a 123 Agreement with the U.S. over its repeated claims to the right to enrich uranium as a precursor to having its owns nuclear weapons program. South Korea is also affected as its 123 Agreement with the US prohibits nuclear exports to countries that do not also have similar agreements. A waiver of this condition could be a tough political sell in Congress.

Reuters reported that when asked whether Pakistan would now be obliged to provide Saudi Arabia with a nuclear umbrella, a senior Saudi official told Reuters: “This is a comprehensive defensive agreement that encompasses all military means.”

In addition to providing a deterrence capability against Iran, Reuters also reported a comment from Hasan Alhasan, senior fellow for Middle East Policy at London’s International Institute for Strategic Studies who said,

“From the Saudi perspective, it is intended to plug the strategic and conventional deterrence deficit vis-a-vis nuclear-armed Israel.”

The deal comes following Israeli strikes on Qatar to kill Hamas leaders living there. Pakistan’s nuclear capable missiles have the range to hit targets in Israel.

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Image: CSIS Missile Defense Project reproduced by India Today

Since 1998, Western nation diplomats and intelligence agencies have believed that an agreement exists in which Pakistan would sell Saudi Arabia nuclear warheads and its own nuclear technology should security in the Persian Gulf deteriorate. Both countries have sharply denied the existence of such an agreement. As of today that arrangement is no longer a secret

Why the Agreement is Good for Chinese Nuclear Reactor Exports

In 2019 this blog wrote that that Saudi Arabia’s assertion that if it cannot get what it wants in terms of a civilian nuclear procurement program from the U.S., that it would turn to China for commercial nuclear reactors. China would also provide the fuel for them bypassing objections from the U.S. The door is now open for such a move with Pakistan as the enabler of the deal due to just announced nuclear defense deal it has made public with the Saudi government.

China has built two of its Hualong One PWRs in Karachi while absorbing almost all of the costs.

Saudi Arabia’s latest formal and public agreement with Pakistan opens the door to China to provide its Hualong PWRs to Saudi Arabia which is thwarted in its efforts to buy nuclear reactors from the U.S. and South Korea because of its determination to enrich uranium. It no long has to worry about having its own enrichment capacity due to the defense arrangement it now has with Pakistan.

Further, it can now carry out its long standing threat to buy reactors from China due to the fact that China has a successful track record of building its Hualong One PWRs not only the two in Pakistan but also for its domestic commercial nuclear power program. China has completed five Hualong One reactors and connected them to the grid for revenue service. It has plans to build at least a dozen more.

Compared to any other nation state or commercial vendor, China has demonstrated its capabilities to build 1000 MW+ PWRs in fleet mode.

In summary, no one should be surprised if the Saudi government ditches its three times postponed decision on its nuclear reactor tender and inks a deal with China for Hualong One nuclear reactors, fuel, and operating expertise.

The Nuclear Equivalent of Oil Released for Export by Building Nuclear Reactors

There is a second mutual set of advantages for Saudi Arabia and China to have a deal to supply Hualong One PWRs to the Saudis.

A 1,000+ MW commercial nuclear reactor would produce electricity that would require approximately 10.8 million barrels of oil to produce the same amount of electricity over a 12-month period according to the US Energy Information Administration.

This means that every 1,000 MW+ PWR built by China in Saudi Arabia would free up about 11 million barrels a year of oil for export, including to China, that would otherwise be used to meet domestic energy needs. Such an arrangement over the long term would allow Saudi Arabia to build its planned fleet of 16 nuclear reactors based on trading oil for nuclear reactor generating capacity from China.

Saudi Arabia would pay for Chinese nuclear reactors with exports to China of the equivalent amount of oil freed up from domestic uses by bringing these reactors online for electricity generation for domestic and industrial uses including water desalination. China currently buys about 20% of Saudi oil exports making it one Saudi Arabia’s biggest trading partners.

Background of the Saudi Pakistan Nuclear Relationship

In 2019 this blog wrote that that Saudi Arabia’s assertion that if it cannot get what it wants in terms of a civilian nuclear procurement program from the U.S., that it would turn to China with Pakistan playing a major role.

First of all the history of development of Pakistan nuclear weapons program is rife with reports of KSA cash to help pay for it. Saudi Arabia has provided billions of dollars in assistance to shore up cash-strapped Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves. The assistance has also come in the form of subsidized oil exports to Pakistan.

According to a Wikipedia article, in news media reports and think tanks studies it is widely believed that Saudi Arabia has been a major source of funding for Pakistan’s atomic bomb project since 1974.

In 2003, globalsecurity.org reported that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia entered a secret agreement on nuclear cooperation providing Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons technology in return for access to cheap oil for Pakistan. Pakistan is outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which means it has no international constraints on sharing uranium enrichment technologies with Saudi Arabia.

A Brookings study published in 2008 provided details of one key aspect of this support.

“In May 1998 when Pakistan was deciding whether to respond to India’s test of five nuclear weapons, the Saudis promised 50,000 barrels per day of free oil to help the Pakistanis cope with the economic sanctions that might be triggered by a counter test. The Saudi oil commitment was a key to then Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif’s decision to proceed with testing. It cushioned the subsequent U.S. and EU sanctions on Pakistan considerably.”

The AFX wire service reported in 2006 that Saudi Arabia was working secretly on a nuclear program, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reported, citing Western security sources.

In 2013 a BBC report covered many of these previous developments and added this alarming description of the KSA relationship with Pakistan with regard to nuclear weapons.

“One senior Pakistani, speaking on background terms, confirmed the broad nature of the deal – probably unwritten – his country had reached with the kingdom and asked rhetorically “what did we think the Saudis were giving us all that money for? It wasn’t charity.”

Another, a one-time intelligence officer from the same country, said he believed “the Pakistanis certainly maintain a certain number of warheads on the basis that if the Saudis were to ask for them at any given time they would immediately be transferred.”


The BBC also reported that Gary Samore, who served as President Barack Obama’s counter-proliferation adviser, has told Newsnight: “I do think that the Saudis believe that they have some understanding with Pakistan that, in extremis, they would have claim to acquire nuclear weapons from Pakistan.”

In January 2019 the Washington Post reported that the Pakistan shared ballistic missile technologies it bought from China with Saudi Arabia.
 
it would be mad but i believe 120 j 20 is must. 80 in middle east and 40 in pakistan i know people are thinking that am mad
 
My viewpoint is the Saudis are still chasing the defense pact with America, but through embrace of China/Pakistan, are signaling to America to drop its stringent conditions for the pact. Pakistanis are mis-understanding this and getting over-excited.
I don't think this agreement would have been signed without America being on-board. It has been in the works for a while. The recency of the Israeli attack on Qatar and the India Pakistan conflict made the timing very convenient. The PR managers are able to sell it as aimed against Jewish Israel and Hindu India. The reality is that the interests of the House of Saud are fundamentally aligned with those of Israel and India. The truth is that this is the Saudis hiring Pakistan to take on Muslim Yemen and Iran and not the Hindus and Zionists.
 
He was in the command center himself with his leadership. Give credit where it's due. The operation was a joint one. Most of the strikes into India were handled by Munir's boys in the army.
It is clear that your bias against him won't let you see things objectively. I don't agree with his involvement in politics but this issue is not one of politics. As such, credit is due.
Munier ki mahhhhh
 
It's going to be hilarious if we actually just end up fighting Houthis, because while we'd be helping the Saudis we'd also be doing Israel a favour.
 
Your analysis about me being an Imran Khan supporter is wrong and I don't know where you got the idea in the first place. What's this huge confusion about living in America that forum members have ? Is it not possible to live in a country and disagree with its state policies ?

I am not liking to challenge you on geopolitics because you and I had some very good exchanges about my travelogue to Pakistan but it is hard to ignore your slant against anything the State of Pakistan does. You are consistent on that. Be consistent but be open about your views. I believe you are an Imran Khan supporter unwilling to let go of the Messiah Khan, even though he is veritably on his deserved political deathbed.

I also don't believe America was going to seize the assets of rich Arabs regimes if they fulfilled a few humble requests on Gaza like trade boycott or severing diplomatic relations. But they are loyal lapdogs of Washington so why even consider the scenario.

The seizure of the rich Arab countries' assets is the BIGGEST threat those countries face, and by extension, the hundrends of millions of people face. The 'cowardice' this forum blame on the Arab World, has just not factored in the far reaching consequences.
 

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