Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RajaBaja]

Damned. These Indians absolutely did an Italian job. The heist of the century. How the Americans fell for it is beyond comprehensive. Zero China containment in the end. On the contrary, India has today moved more towards Russia and China.

It even gets better today. When the Americans realize they were a victim of the "Indian Job", their FM Jaishankar today said "H1B visa reduction will cause a humanitarian crises in India"

I didn't know if a country's citizen running a con job on another nation, when they get caught and the host nation reduces their immigration, that's a violation of humanitarian laws. It means if the Indian tech labor isn't making $ 100,000 average salary per year, they can't survive.

With emotional blackmailing statements, Trump must be feeling he's creating a Gaza in India by reducing H1B's. While just until last week, Indian media was too busy bashing Trump and making India look "superior" by connecting with Putin and Xi.

All that gas is gone now. Now Indians are on the floor trying to link it to whatever humanitarian bullsh8 or emotional blackmailing to kiss his rear. ONLY India can do and say such things.

 

[mythbuster]

Shamsi airbase to provide intel about paf to israel? hahahaha it's funny. They need bagram to keep a close eye on us. you said NATO left because of pakistan hahaha. i mean ask this to any think tank and he will laugh as well. no offense.

Why did the Americans/ NATO left after throwing trillion dollars in that hellhole ?

 

[Meengla]

Brain drain is real - when you have a smart person leave Pakistan it is a flawed assumption somehow that another smart person is ready to take their place.
A smart person creates more smart people through mentoring and interaction. When that is removed there is no guarantee that the next generation will be smarter nor that more of them will happen because of this remittance.

Bolded part: You are assuming the smart person holding a job will have an economy big enough to have enough jobs to 'mentor' others? Also, it is your assumption that all smart people are leaving Pakistan. I saw plenty of smart people working in professional places and plenty of smart people looking for jobs--too many of them actually.

Yes to all the construction , petrol station, factory, maritime, retail, janitorial labor etc Pakistan can export.
But then so can India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Philippines, Indonesia , Malaysia etc

If what's good enough for India, BD etc then why not for Pakistan?? And Pakistanis are not just exporting those kind of people. There is plenty of professional ones too.

Anedotically speaking, coming just back from Pakistan, I saw many of the younger Pakistanis, who are my cousins/friends kids, working in professional jobs in Pakistan or professional jobs in America, Canada, the UK and the Middle East. It was actually surprising to me because my own generation of 30+ years ago had far limited opportunities.

My point remains: Pakistan, like other poor countries, has plenty of surplus labor available. Indians even sent a large number to Israel once the Gaza war started--into a war zone!

 

[RajaBaja]

That's a balloony sir , nothing can happen between Afghanistan and America without the middleman called Pakistan....... what's America offering to Pakistan ?

Ok now I understand where you were going in your previous post. Pakistan hasn't been asked yet. Frankly speaking, just like you want to know what Pakistan is being offered, the Taliban think Pakistan invited them into Bagram to keep a check on them . That's how the world runs, it goes in circles.

Pakistan just issued a serious threat to Taliban last week both from our military and political side that "you have to choose between the TTP/BLA/INDIA or Pakistan and China". So at this moment, when we are getting ready to strike deep to protect Pakistan, we don't enjoy that much leverage over the Talibans. Qataris or Saudis might be used instead with us in the "shades".

 

[PakAl]

our current problem is not only talibans but groups that they control. Talibans need cash. United states will give them money so that they can fund ttp etc. in return, united states will build pressure on pakistan. PAF will not be allowed to become regional power. If we fire projectiles towards israel, they will intercept them midway. They want it for the protection of israel so that israel can attack arabs freely. United States is a christian country but controlled by jews.

Pakistan or Arab GCC will never attack Israel, this alliance is to protect Saudia from any attacks, similarly how Usa defended Saudia in the Gulf war. Its Pakistani naivety to bring all the pressure on themselves for the sake of GCC, who maintain close relations with India and even Israel, UAE have their troops marching on Indian National Day. Our nukes are to defend Pakistan, when we face existential threat, it's not to be used on any other nations. Israel also has over 300 nukes but they dont talk about them whilst Pakistanis online boasting about it. If nukes are used everyone will die and the same Arabs will call Pakistan killers, just like how Syrian armed forces were kicked out of Lebanon and within a few years israel destroyed South Lebanon.

Current Taliban is not friendly with the USA because they will not cut a deal, they want to be independent after fighting 20 years of war with USA. This is why those who funded and trained ISIS and its ideology in Syria are doing the same to Afghanistan, to make them submit like puppet ISIS Jolani. Usa will also not give frozen funds to the Taliban. Taliban in return is building good relations with China Russia, has banned ISIS, it's literature, declared 1000 years old Hanafi fiqh as official religious law with given rights to minority shias. Saudia in turn banned Pakistan state favourite Tabligh Jamaat, declared them as gate of terrorism. All this is unacceptable to world powers since they funded billions of petrodollars to start own Islam, which claim to be fighting Usa but end up always destabilising and destroying Muslim nations. They are ofcourse working overtime to trap the Taliban but so far it's not working. Not idea about the future but they will never accept any Independent Muslim state, Jolani is lying in front of them and this is why they're hugging him.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Why do people think anyone in their right mind is out there to try and disarm Pakistan's nuclear weapons?

Nothing wrong with preparing for ‘worst case scenarios’, however unlikely.

Better to have policies and plans in place JUST IN CASE, rather than address such a situation on the fly.

 

[RajaBaja]

You mistaking brawn movement to brain drain.

Brain drain is real - when you have a smart person leave Pakistan it is a flawed assumption somehow that another smart person is ready to take their place.

A smart person creates more smart people through mentoring and interaction. When that is removed there is no guarantee that the next generation will be smarter nor that more of them will happen because of this remittance.

If anything, the ONLY way to create smarter people is Pakistan is to keep existing top performers in with better pay and a stable economy, bring in additional smart people from other places to teach in guest lectures and then enable smart people to innovate.

The military-industrialist-feudal complex DOES EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to prevent this in their unofficial alignment of personal interests.

The only thing they enable is real estate and that is all they will ever understand or be capable of.

All other positive spins are grounded in isolated success which also happens DESPITE of and not because of it.

You just went to PK
Go ask ANY of the kids in universities how they fell
Their lecturers
Go to Daftarkhwan and other co working spaces

Ask the employees there
The owners there about talent

Yes to all the construction , petrol station, factory, maritime, retail, janitorial labor etc Pakistan can export.

But then so can India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Philippines, Indonesia , Malaysia etc

Brain drain is not REAL in case of Pakistan. If we had a population of say 50 million or 70 million, and every year nearly 5% population was migrating ALL with college degrees and from experienced hi-tech or areas that are in demand, yes you can consider a real issue because the population pool leaving is very strong.

In Western nations, in many of them including Japan and China, the population isn't having children. So brain drain applies here. Because you aren't producing new brains with more talent to come up. The competition may be an older population set.

While in India and Pakistan's case, one person leaves, for one job, you'll get a thousand resumes. Because our population continues to produce that human resource at a very large level.

For a productive discussion, it needs to be taken as facts. Not political drama that's just going berserk without logic.

India, as an example, talent left has created influence over ALL major nations and they are enabling talent back home to grow. Their economy is highly US dependent but the services sector has taken them to a $ 3.5 trillion economy.

Chinese did the same. Philippines did the same. Obviously all within their opportunity level they could find, some more some less.

We also have the 5th largest population in the world. It's absolutely NO issue if a few million of our educated people go overseas, connect with higher tiers, connect with political influencers and create influence for Pakistan's growth. Similar to India, China, Philippines. Our population is ever growing, we won't even feel a few million leaving

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Yes, GCC realise this.

Additionally, IMO, Saudi bolstering Pakistan (a non-Arab State) as part of this defence agreement does not affect ‘Global Arab Leadership’ dynamics - Saudi Arabia’s position as the leading Arab State gets bolstered and they can argue that they continue to lead their own military rather than the power struggle over controlling any kind of ‘joint Arab security force’.

 

[Samlee]

Yay!!!! Free Money

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Where is your josh ?

Josh tau hai, magar hosh say istamaal karna bhi zaroori hai.

Apologies to the mods in advance for the transliteration.

 

[RajaBaja]

Saudi Arabia defence pact could open new doors for Pakistan’s economy​

There is a huge potential to boost exports, including IT, textile, rice, seafood and leather goods

Gohar Ali Khan
September 22, 2025

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KARACHI: The signing of the Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement (SMDA) between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan has opened a new chapter in bilateral relations on various fronts, experts say.

There is much potential to boost investment and explore joint ventures, foreign direct investment, oil & gas energy cooperation and IT exports, according to economic nationalists and strategists.

Talking to Business Recorder, they said it is expected that Pakistan’s textile, pharmaceutical, rice, sea food, meat, edible fruits and vegetable, dairy products, leather goods and information technology all have the potential to be exported to Saudi Arabia, which can be further developed after this defense pact.

They stressed that there is an urgent need to further deepen compliance of standards, and deal with a lack of information and lack of commercial activities between the countries.

Moreover, there is a need to negotiate trade impediments related to compliance, standardization, sanitary and phytosanitary standards (SPS), technical requirements, conformity assessment and rules of certificates of origins for enhancement of Pakistan’s exports to Saudi Arabia.

Saudi policy makers should also chalk out a comprehensive strategy for mutual recognition of standards for exports of surgical instruments, food items and pharmaceutical goods as there is a huge demand for these products in Saudi Arabia, they said.

Pakistan’s macro-economy

Speaking about the defence pact, economic strategist and regional expert Dr Mehmoodul Hassan Khan said: “Hopefully, the enhanced defence ties between the two countries will have positive implications for Pakistan’s macro-economy.“

“Additionally, extension of loans, provision of oil against deferred payments, buying of JF-17 Thunder, greater inflows of foreign direct investments and deeper trade should be expected after this historic defense pact which has become a paradigm shift.”

Moreover, the triangular Pakistan-Saudi-China partnership could be a game changer for the further strategic expansion of the Belt and Road Initiative-China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (BRI-CPEC) supporting agriculture, industrial, energy and space & sciences cooperation in the days to come.”

He also explained that chances of offering fertile land to potential Saudis investors, export of skilled labour and potential food security links, plus worker remittances would give Pakistan a chance to stabilize its economy through jobs, capital, and technology.

The immediate surge in Pakistan’s stock market after the pact reflecting investor confidence is likely to ease the country’s financial burden.

Dr Khan said it appears that the launch of the Saudi Oil Facility (SOF) will support Pakistan’s oil imports, helping to stabilize energy costs amid external financing challenges. This project will strengthen Pakistan’s economic resilience by securing a stable supply of petroleum products while reducing immediate fiscal burdens.

The facility is part of broader financial cooperation between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, which has already placed $5 billion in deposits with the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP).

Moreover, the Saudi Fund for Development (SFD) has supported more than 40 projects and programmes valued at approximately $1.4 billion to finance energy, water, transportation and infrastructure projects in Pakistan.

Pakistan and Saudia can really do wonders. Saudia will need to prioritize getting White collar labor.
1) Defense cooperation. Technologies to be produced locally like Turkey has been doing.
2) IT Tech Ventures: AI and Robotics. Pakistani large engineering talent pool can be used here also supporting KSA's objectives.
3) Medical Technologies and Devices: This is one of the hottest area for R&D. Both can make a name here too.

All these directions are long term. Proper direction needs to be set and then focused work towards goals should be done.

 

[gamaji]

Did they massively rig the elections again to bring the Sharifs and Zardaris to power? Do they regret it?

Post 2018 elections, the media persons were threatened to report 'positively' and no such advice after 2024 elections.

Also, despite all that crap claims of Form 45 and 47, no one when to court with the 'real' forms (45 or 47) to take on the ECP. Only Shah Mahmood's daughter went to the court and was caught red-handed for forgery and fraud.

501 million calls, appeals, and requests by Imran Khotakhail for protests in Pakistan/Islamabad/Adiala jail have fallen flat on ground because no one really paid any heed to those calls, appeals, and requests. That can be taken as a measure to expose the reality of the claimed 98% public support for Khotakhail.

 

[arsalan345]

Why did the Americans/ NATO left after throwing trillion dollars in that hellhole ?

because they killed almost all wanted talibans. there was no reason to stay there. after usama bin laden death, there was no reason for them to stay but they still stayed a bit longer. they left in panic because they shifted their focus towards south china sea.

 

[Tamerlane]

My point remains: Pakistan, like other poor countries, has plenty of surplus labor available. Indians even sent a large number to Israel once the Gaza war started--into a war zone!

No one is suggesting that Pakistanis should not go to Saudi Arabia for jobs. They should. The main argument is that jobs in Saudi Arabia shouldn’t be a SUBSTITUTE for fixing those internal problems that have resulted in a stunted economy.

Pakistan has a population of 250 million, the vast bulk of whom would be considered living in poverty by world standards. You can send a million or two to the Middle East, but that isn’t a solution for 250 million people.

There is a separate argument about brain drain. It is a proven fact that the top 1% of the most qualified people of a country create the vast bulk of wealth. That 1% are the businessmen, the doctors, engineers, scientists, PhD’s etc. I would say that more than half of that top 1% of Pakistanis have left the country. For Karachi I would say that over 75% of the most qualified people have left. I see top class Pakistanis in North America, not so many in Pakistan.

So, there’s no substitute for fixing the internal problems of the country. That’s the potential downside I see with the Saudi deal. The rulers may see that as a SUBSTITUTE for internal reform.

 

[arsalan345]

Pakistan or Arab GCC will never attack Israel, this alliance is to protect Saudia from any attacks, similarly how Usa defended Saudia in the Gulf war. Its Pakistani naivety to bring all the pressure on themselves for the sake of GCC, who maintain close relations with India and even Israel, UAE have their troops marching on Indian National Day. Our nukes are to defend Pakistan, when we face existential threat, it's not to be used on any other nations. Israel also has over 300 nukes but they dont talk about them whilst Pakistanis online boasting about it. If nukes are used everyone will die and the same Arabs will call Pakistan killers, just like how Syrian armed forces were kicked out of Lebanon and within a few years israel destroyed South Lebanon.

Current Taliban is not friendly with the USA because they will not cut a deal, they want to be independent after fighting 20 years of war with USA. This is why those who funded and trained ISIS and its ideology in Syria are doing the same to Afghanistan, to make them submit like puppet ISIS Jolani. Usa will also not give frozen funds to the Taliban. Taliban in return is building good relations with China Russia, has banned ISIS, it's literature, declared 1000 years old Hanafi fiqh as official religious law with given rights to minority shias. Saudia in turn banned Pakistan state favourite Tabligh Jamaat, declared them as gate of terrorism. All this is unacceptable to world powers since they funded billions of petrodollars to start own Islam, which claim to be fighting Usa but end up always destabilising and destroying Muslim nations. They are ofcourse working overtime to trap the Taliban but so far it's not working. Not idea about the future but they will never accept any Independent Muslim state, Jolani is lying in front of them and this is why they're hugging him.

Taliban needs money. These aren't the talibans that waged war against russia or united states. today every afghan is ready for suicide bombing if the price is right. They are terrorists. I think they will give the airbase easily because they both have common enemy which is Pakistan. Do you think United State will allow us to roam freely in this region? they are like a police and they are coming back. If shahbaz sharif meet donald trump in the upcoming event, then surely trump will ask our pm to stay silent if something happens to GCC. Well i agree with you about our nuclear sabre rattling. For israel, these nuclesar weapons means nothing as they have the capability to destroy anything on this earth.

I think present day talibans aren't the same talibans that they used to be. Money is everything. I am thinking about buying an afghan for cooking. namakharaam will give me poison in the food. hahaha