Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[Starlord]

On a side note, Pak-China relationship are good and will so in foreseeable future, I'd concern myself over the Strategic relationship with China when we will order fighter jets from China but get Atta (flour) in return.

 

[Psyko70]

Thanks.

It's not just in a range issue or even the seeker stack. It's the whole platform. The LY-80's originating platform (Buk) was designed for a time when missiles weren't intercepting other missiles, much less supersonic ones. As that threat emerged, we saw the US and even Russia develop their SAM platforms to be more anti-missile capable, hence focus on things like thrust-vectoring nozzles, lighter and more compact missile airframes, and newer propulsion stacks (DPMR).

Frankly, the LY-80-series in service with Pakistan is fine for countering enemy aircraft, but we need a complementary solution that focuses specifically on missiles. That said, a SAM that's good for countering missiles will also be good for countering aircraft, so you would get more mileage out of it than one solely optimized for aircraft.

Overall, I am 100% sure the PAF is aware of this issue, and I think they'll fast-track the development and production of the FAAZ-SL.

The Spada 2000 apparently did pretty good against countering missiles, so the FAAZ would be an advancement. They can load it with FAAZ missiles with both ARH and IIR seekers, giving those units varied firing options.

This is the right approach for the near-term, but I hope they augment it with a longer term effort to develop a proper next-gen SAM stack. This would be a platform that is scalable, e.g., leveraging DPMR + TVC at the core, but then extended the range with boosters (analogous to Barak series). We can do this with any adept partner, be it Turkey or Europe or China. With China, the inputs are all there, e.g., TVC from PL-10E, DPMR from PL-15, and so on.

Hi,

Ly80 is not even actual buk system. And has reasonable anti missile capabilities. Its what we could have at the time.

Spada 2000 has now 45 to 50km range, better guidance system. Same is for ly80.

Pakistan has its hand on modification on both of systems. Its not just simple spada 2000 or ly80.

 

[CSAW]

 

[RajaBaja]

Hi,

Ly80 is not even actual buk system. And has reasonable anti missile capabilities. Its what we could have at the time.

Spada 2000 has now 45 to 50km range, better guidance system. Same is for ly80.

Pakistan has its hand on modification on both of systems. Its not just simple spada 2000 or ly80.

Pakistan doesn't have the source codes for either Spada or LY-80. No manufacturer gives you source code for such critical products because you purchased a few batteries. Spada's were upgraded through it's manufacturer's engineers.

SMASH is inherently a ballistic missile

I know, but I don't know if I follow what you mean. It being a ballistic missile has nothing to do with it's production capacity.

It is already integrated on some of our ships and tested, it can obviously be fired from land. So they integrated it for a reason. It's speed and accuracy is deadly and gives the enemy little reaction time. This will not be the "only" weapon in Pakistan's arsenal....

If you were trying to make some point, explain it.

 

[CSAW]

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[Falcon26]

They need to have long range cruise missiles in the 1500km range. There’s no second strike capability with 400km missile.

 

[Boss]

PN should be updating their undersea charts of the Red Sea. The Persian Gulf is useless for submerged operations.

 

[Yasser76]

PN should be updating their undersea charts of the Red Sea. The Persian Gulf is useless for submerged operations.

and Eastern Med...

 

[Boss]

and Eastern Med...

Crossing the Gibraltar strait will be a problem

 

[Yasser76]

Crossing the Gibraltar strait will be a problem

Subs can cross the Suez.

 

[Boss]

Subs can cross the Suez.

Submerged and undetected?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Submerged and undetected?

Not Possible at all.

Suez Canal is very narrow. Every ship / sub has to pass from that path way. Plus they have to notify before passing it. Secondly its not very deep. A submerged sub will be instantly detected.

 

[kimjongun]

Cant we just have a nuclear smash from submarines....like there are no vls but if its a ballistic missile launched from torpedo tube or some shi how would it go?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Cant we just have a nuclear smash from submarines....like there are no vls but if its a ballistic missile launched from torpedo tube or some shi how would it go?

But why? there isn't going to be any range benefit as SMASH is 350 KM.

Already have Babur 3 that uses torpedo tube. 450 km range.

SMASH gives speed advantage but cruise missile can remain undetectable for longer duration. Its a trade off.

Tbh, I don't think we are much bothered about second strike that we will further invest on it. Our submarines will remain focused on conventional warfare. With heavy torpedoes as their primary weapon of choice.