Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I agree with everything you said about Trump. But that part that Pakistan has been hired and Bharat has been fired.

Why? Because there is NO benefit Pakistan has been receiving from the US, financial or military wise or even friendship until the start of this year. We've been on our own, with China and KSA and planning things ourselves including this defense pact. Then came May and that little war with India. The results of that war, plus, the push from KSA to Trump that they would sign the agreement with Pakistan has made the US realized it's time to embrace Pakistan and it's a legit fighting power.

One time I was talking to a senior officer in the US military about Russia, the media had started to say good things about them. This gentlemen said "if you don't want to fight them, you side with them". So we are at that table now.

Here, by hiring I mean Trump has become like a buddy of Pak, albeit temporarily....

 

[Liquidator]

Too early to make such forecasts. You may be right but a long way to go

Some of my assessment was based on this, Lt Gen Khalid Kidwai (R) press conference.

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This has not been publicised and discussed on PDF enough.

- J35 induction sooner than we think
- shifting power dynamics
- assessment on nuclear thresholds being increased due to conventional strength

 

[RealNapster]

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MBS did visit during IK tenure as well. No ?

 

[Meengla]

Yes, you’re right, whatever is happening is with US consent. But even a peacekeeping mission that saves Palestinian lives is worth a lot for them.
The Israelis and Americans were expecting all the Palestinians to run away from Gaza. Israelis, and also Trump’s own son-in-law, Kushner, were planning large real estate developments on the Gaza seafront. In any other place on earth if people were subjected to such assault they would have abandoned the area. It’s unbelievable that the Palestinians are hanging on.
If there’s a peacekeeping force that allows the Gazans to stay and protects them then that is a great service to them.
However, somehow I doubt whether the Israelis will allow Pakistani troops in. But if it happens, it will be great.

Good post.
For the Gazans, merely surviving in large numbers in Gaza would be enough at this point. And the optimist in me tends to think that Israel targeting Doha, while with American connivance, but was without American approval, has made the situation untenable for even this most pro Israel administration in American history; look at the super MAGA like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson??. There is intense pressure on Trump--from practically the rest of the world minus the Likudnik Israelis and minus the blind supporters of Israel in America--to wrap up the Gaza massacre. And that pressure certainly includes powerful Islamic countries with their own cards to play.

Modi's Operation Sindoor and Netanyahu's attack on Qatar could be remembered by History as some of the most pivotal events of 2025. They were follies of extreme hubris and miscalculations. Things have shifted a lot since then in which the Israel+America vs Iran conflict certainly plays a significant role. Also look at China vs Israel: I didn't expect they would be officially at each others' throats as seen in last 2-3 years.

 

[Vkdindian1]

India's (and traditional "colonialist") points of reference on the geopolitical behaviour of Muslim nation states are compromised solely due to their ignorance and reliance on extremist propaganda, instead of rationally considering objective data.

The poor dears perpetually expect a "sunni-shia divide" or an "arab-non-arab" divide to somehow hinder pacts and agreements. In truth, these "divides" exist in the minds of hindutvas and crusades-lovers.

Certainly, a few extreme individuals will always rant and rave, and certainly, extremist groups can be co-opted by well funded foreign organisations, but mature nation states will tend to work pragmatically for the betterment of everyone's interests when left to hammer out deals themselves.

Even now, biased media organisations are quietly adding Iran to the list of countries threatened by any Pakistan-Arab alliance, obviously to encourage opinion against the alliance. The countries who are actually involved know full well that Iran has nothing to be alarmed about and, if anything, other nations confronting or guarding against Israel will greatly assist Iranian domestic objectives.

Hindutva has come into power not very long back. How come they were able to wield power and prevent Muslim brothers from creating a coalition?

The failure to create one lies at the doors of these nations.

They are divided by self desire to lead the Muslim world. Each one thinks itself as the true leader.

There is no clear leader in the Muslim world. A nation with both economic and military power to get the flock together. Each such organisation has a nation that is the most powerful and leads the group. There is none amongst Muslims.
The divide within is not a dream but a real one.

I don’t see Turkey and Saudi sitting across the table any time soon.Erdogan and MBS don’t see eye to eye. Malaysia also considers itself as a powerful one. Pakistan is strong military but has no economy. Without money it can’t wield true strength and be a leader.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

UAE:

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Morocco:

Morocco, India Inaugurate Armored Vehicle Factory in Berrechid

Rabat - Morocco and India have launched a new defense factory in Berrechid, marking an important step in strengthening Morocco’s military industry. The Morocco and India have launched a new defense factory in Berrechid, marking an important step in strengthening Morocco’s military industry.

www.moroccoworldnews.com

 

[Liquidator]

it will pit muslim against muslims , exactly what the west want! We will taking the bait

I don't see that,

Iran, Pakistan, Arabs are aligning.

The Turks need to come out if their identity crisis and get it line....

 

[RajaBaja]

Here, by hiring I mean Trump has become like a buddy of Pak, albeit temporarily....

My concern is with democrats. The amount of hate Republicans and Dems now have is like Pakistani politics. So my concern is, if Dems come, they won't make a U turn on Trump's policies.

Trump is actually taking all hard steps and actions the Dems didn't take post 2008 financial crises when Obama came and knew these destructive things were happening in big capacity (H1B as one example, list is too long). So we should be fine and on a long term relationship trajectory as long as Republicans stay.

 

[Fatman17]

Some of my assessment was based on this, Lt Gen Khalid Kidwai (R) press conference.

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This has not been publicised and discussed on PDF enough.

- J35 induction sooner than we think
- shifting power dynamics
- assessment on nuclear thresholds being increased due to conventional strength

Offtopic bro

 

[Master Chief]

Hindutva has come into power not very long back. How come they were able to wield power and prevent Muslim brothers from creating a coalition?

The failure to create one lies at the doors of these nations.

They are divided by self desire to lead the Muslim world. Each one thinks itself as the true leader.

There is not clear leader in the Muslim world. A nation with both economic and military power to get the flock together. Each such organisation has a nation that is the most powerful and leads the group. There is none amongst Muslims.
The divide within is not a dream but a real one.

I don’t see Turkey and Saudi sitting across the table any time soon.Erdogan and MBS don’t see eye to eye. Malaysia also considers itself as a powerful one. Pakistan is strong military but has no economy. Without money it can’t wield true strength and be a leader.

When did I say hindutva has stopped coalitions of Muslim countries from occurring?

You are truly having delusions of grandeur here.

I stated that the established hindutva mindset and self-indulging propaganda is that of some sort of eternal civilisational incongruence between shias and sunnis.

I could explore and explain why hindutva needs to sustain this mythology for domestic consumption but that would derail the thread. Feel free to tag me when it is discussed elsewhere.

There are multiple reasons a "muslim NATO" does not exist (and even, should not exist). Hindutva (or India) is not one of them.

 

[Master Chief]

Hindutva has come into power not very long back. How come they were able to wield power and prevent Muslim brothers from creating a coalition?

The failure to create one lies at the doors of these nations.

They are divided by self desire to lead the Muslim world. Each one thinks itself as the true leader.

There is not clear leader in the Muslim world. A nation with both economic and military power to get the flock together. Each such organisation has a nation that is the most powerful and leads the group. There is none amongst Muslims.
The divide within is not a dream but a real one.

I don’t see Turkey and Saudi sitting across the table any time soon.Erdogan and MBS don’t see eye to eye. Malaysia also considers itself as a powerful one. Pakistan is strong military but has no economy. Without money it can’t wield true strength and be a leader.

The rest of your post I actually agree with for the most part!

Just your first bit is a misinterpretation of what I said.

 

[RajaBaja]

Hindutva has come into power not very long back. How come they were able to wield power and prevent Muslim brothers from creating a coalition?

The failure to create one lies at the doors of these nations.

They are divided by self desire to lead the Muslim world. Each one thinks itself as the true leader.

There is not clear leader in the Muslim world. A nation with both economic and military power to get the flock together. Each such organisation has a nation that is the most powerful and leads the group. There is none amongst Muslims.
The divide within is not a dream but a real one.

I don’t see Turkey and Saudi sitting across the table any time soon.Erdogan and MBS don’t see eye to eye. Malaysia also considers itself as a powerful one. Pakistan is strong military but has no economy. Without money it can’t wield true strength and be a leader.

I agree with a lots of things you said about everyone thinking they are the true leader. When it was never the case. So when the time came,
God made a nation rise from May onwards and made it the leader. That nation is called Pakistan.

And with divine blessings, we are friends with all major powers, from North to South, US to China and Russia and close friends with the entire Middle East. We'll bring positive changes in the world, just watch.

 

[Meengla]

My concern is with democrats. The amount of hate Republicans and Dems now have is like Pakistani politics. So my concern is, if Dems come, they won't make a U turn on Trump's policies.
Trump is actually taking all hard steps and actions the Dems didn't take post 2008 financial crises when Obama came and knew these destructive things were happening in big capacity (H1B as one example, list is too long). So we should be fine and on a long term relationship trajectory as long as Republicans stay.

It seems to me that indeed the Dems and the Repubs are out to nullify each others' policies and social agendas all the time, however even Biden was not as warm on India as the first Trump Presidency was and now Trump has taken the distancing from India to another level. I don't see we are going to see the relationship between India and America as it existed since Bill Clinton's historic 2000 visit to India.

 

[RajaBaja]

It seems to me that indeed the Dems and the Repubs are out to nullify each others' policies and social agendas all the time, however even Biden was not as warm on India as the first Trump Presidency was and now Trump has taken the distancing from India to another level. I don't see we are going to see the relationship between India and America as it existed since Bill Clinton's historic 2000 visit to India.

Yes, that time to fool nations like America and Arab countries is over. The gravy train has left the "Indian" station and it was the last train. Never coming back. Things have changed with the US and will continue to change with US and with Arab nations.

In a few months, the issue of over 2.5 million people living in the Middle East, on highest tier business golden visas, belonging to Indian intelligence and various military organizations will also come up. Just watch, only the song has started, dance is coming.

 

[Vkdindian1]

We'll bring positive changes in the world, just watch.

My assessment is that this is a temporary phase where everything looks rosy.
It takes a lot to create a coalition of nations.
I have a doubt that Pakistan has what it takes to create and lead one.

We wouldn’t need to wait very long for a definitive outcome. Maybe just a year.
Let’s see whose word holds good.