TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[RajaBaja]

I gave detailed info about it ... read my post again 5/6 times

1 -- The F-35 AESA Radar and DAS can not detect the KAAN from 100+ km away
Similarly, KAAN also can not detect the F-35 from 100+ km away

so , 185 km GOKBORA air to air Missile will be enough to match with other 5th gen Fighters in BVR combat



2 -- 4,5th gen Fighters have no any chance against the KAAN in BVR combat

also KIZILELMA and ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets will give advantage to TURAF against 4,5 gen Fighter Jets in BVR combat


3 -- F-16V or RAFALE can not detect Turkish F-16s from 120+ km away
and enemy AWACS will be blocked by 240-380 km S400 Missiles

so , enemy Fighter Jets can not hit Turkish F-16s from 250-300 km away

185-200 km GOKBORA and GOKHAN air to air Missiles will be enough to match with both 4,5 and 5th gen Fighter Jets in BVR combat

Let's first address something historical so it's clear. The US built first generation AESA advance radars using GaAS. APG-77, but it was an interim radars. The US has since 2015 been very cognizant of what the Chinese are using so it makes sure it is also working on the top stuff. So they realized that GaN capacity to perform under severe heat (Microwave) meaning Jamming, Range and Speed really out pace GaAS. So they started research on GaN and decided to make it the baseline Radar and Sensor technology for top tier aircraft. So post APG-77, its GaN as the standard. The Chinese initially used GaN for it's J-20 and miniaturized Radars and Sensors on J-10C also. But changed their platform to a generation beyond GaN. Now China uses SiC for it's J-20, J-35, J-36 and J-50 5th and 6th gen platforms.

Here is what the Americans have since after 2015's tech, with a new baseline of Gallium Nitride.

AN/APG-81

• A radar system used in the F-35 Lightning II fighter jet. It features advanced capabilities for air-to-air and air-to-ground operations.

AN/APG-83

• An upgrade for the F-16 fighter aircraft, this radar enhances target detection and tracking capabilities.

AN/TPY-2

• A transportable radar system used for missile defense, providing tracking and discrimination of ballistic missiles.

AN/MPQ-65

• Part of the Patriot missile system, this radar uses GaN technology to improve performance in detecting and tracking aerial threats.

Now onto your other post about "detection". You are still missing the point. Let's do one more attempt. In the above example, you've seen how so much R&D is essentially wasted by the US to go from GaAS to GaN because they realize that top notch stuff required GaN, not GaAS. And on the other hand, the Chinese after having years of R&D in GaN, jumped to SiC instead. So ALL nations, try to be ahead of others. That's the trend. First sight first shoot, first kill. Tech is the name of the game.

This is 2025, the rules of air warfare have changed. The 185-200 KM meteors couldn't work and were beaten by J-10C's PL-15 with much longer range. Due to which, the US issued emergency funds worth billions of dollars asking Raytheon to create AIM-260, AMRAAM-E and tweak software to increase AMRAAM D-3's range. One aspect is completed and tested already.

Just like that, majority of wars today will still be fought between 4.5th gen jets. KAAN isn't operational nor there is a use of discussing it until 2030. And even then, KAAN won't be in numbers until 2035. So engagements will still happen between 4.5th generation for which, the above rule applies.

Secondly, passive IRST now can detect stealth jets at 150+KM. This tech is already in testing and will be rolled out soon. KAAN as another 5-7 years to be produced in low rate capacity. What I am trying to tell you again and again is that I hope the Turkish scientist keep advancing their stuff so come 2030-2035, they can implement what will then be the most technologically superior weapon systems. Hopefully this settles the argument.

 

[eIsQengiz]

I speak from knowing the engineering of this technology and it's capability. So it will be hard for others to understand. But my post sums it up for

You are again missing the entire point. Turkiye was a partner in F-35. Meaning it's engineers had access to F-35 design materials as well as prior manufacturing experience of the F-16's since the 1980's. So it decided to work on the latest tech the Americans or top nations are working on, that's where GaN comes in over French tech of prior generation based on GaAS.

When faced with facts that contradict spam, many of you feel helpless. You claim to "know how this technology works," but... since when has anyone talked about the development of "this technology" and its ability to differentiate people? You can continue spamming, but it will feel wrong, it won't work, and it will be wrong. This will lead to asserting authority (especially a false or irrelevant authority) and can even lead to a fallacy known as "hidden argument." Therefore, it's difficult for others to understand. Paraphrasing is primarily used to create ambiguity, deflect attention, or overuse words to mislead.

You spam post fallacy known as a muted argument.

Since when does talking about the engineering of “this technology” and its capabilities make a person special?

 

[RajaBaja]

When faced with facts that contradict spam, many of you feel helpless. You claim to "know how this technology works," but... since when has anyone talked about the development of "this technology" and its ability to differentiate people? You can continue spamming, but it will feel wrong, it won't work, and it will be wrong. This will lead to asserting authority (especially a false or irrelevant authority) and can even lead to a fallacy known as "hidden argument." Therefore, it's difficult for others to understand. Paraphrasing is primarily used to create ambiguity, deflect attention, or overuse words to mislead.

You spam post fallacy known as a muted argument.

Since when does talking about the engineering of “this technology” and its capabilities make a person special?

You used the word "spam" like a million times. But do you really have a fact to write here to my core message that what Turkey is testing, has become old already? Or it's just really hit your nerves hard and you have nothing to write vs. a verbal attack back?

Next time, post something credible. By the way, what I've posted, can be verified from multiple sources. You could've done the fact check before you starting writing silly statements like Indians do.

Always do some research and come back and write with logic. God gave you a brain. Use it. Prove to others, including me, that I misstated something. I'll actually accept it and will apologize.

Here is the latest. The next generation Air Defense systems under limited production now, also based on Gallium Nitride technology. This will be the future Golden Dome (Ghost Eye) AD network and the work's been going on on this since 2024.

Raytheon begins early small-quantity production of LTAMDS gallium nitride (GaN) missile-defense radar system​

Aug. 6, 2024

LTAMDS GhostEye is the next generation, 360-degree missile-defense radar that ultimately will replace the Army's current Patriot missile radars.
John Keller
Related To:
Raytheon Technologies Corp

• https://www.militaryaerospace.com/print/content/55130916

 

[JamD]

I do wonder if Türkiye has taken the opportunity to redesign the internals of the jet with this version, such that it has greater compatibility with a wider source of engines(e.g. Chinese ? ). Perfect time to do it now, to derisk the project as much as possible from further american sanctions.

No Chinese engine work. Focus is on Turkish engine in earnest.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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NEW: US Congress has blocked the export of engines that would be used for Turkey’s fifth generation aircraft Kaan, Turkish FM says

 

[eIsQengiz]

You used the word "spam" like a million times. But do you really have a fact to write here to my core message that what Turkey is testing, has become old already? Or it's just really hit your nerves hard and you have nothing to write vs. a verbal attack back?

Next time, post something credible. By the way, what I've posted, can be verified from multiple sources. You could've done the fact check before you starting writing silly statements like Indians do.

Always do some research and come back and write with logic. God gave you a brain. Use it. Prove to others, including me, that I misstated something. I'll actually accept it and will apologize.

Here is the latest. The next generation Air Defense systems under limited production now, also based on Gallium Nitride technology. This will be the future Golden Dome (Ghost Eye) AD network and the work's been going on on this since 2024.

Raytheon begins early small-quantity production of LTAMDS gallium nitride (GaN) missile-defense radar system​

Aug. 6, 2024

LTAMDS GhostEye is the next generation, 360-degree missile-defense radar that ultimately will replace the Army's current Patriot missile radars.
John Keller
Related To:
Raytheon Technologies Corp

• https://www.militaryaerospace.com/print/content/55130916

If you're post by an author who doesn't have a formal rebuttal, you might be using the Argument from Silence, the Fallacy of Silence, or the Argument from If you're using a post by an author who doesn't reason , you might be using the Fake bs..

 

[hodor]

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NEW: US Congress has blocked the export of engines that would be used for Turkey’s fifth generation aircraft Kaan, Turkish FM says

They will definitely not provide KAAN’s engine. I was certain of this from the very beginning. I think we need to move toward cooperation with the Chinese in a very short time. We need at least 10 years for the TF35000 to mature.

 

[RajaBaja]

They will definitely not provide KAAN’s engine. I was certain of this from the very beginning. I think we need to move toward cooperation with the Chinese in a very short time. We need at least 10 years for the TF35000 to mature.

I could've told you that 2 months ago. That's why I said in many old posts, Pakistan needs a heavier engine for it's PFX project that will produce a medium sized jet, hopefully with stealth features. Both Turkey and Pakistan should go in together and make a deal with China with TOT. It will become a cheaper deal as both nations will share the TOT and manufacturing setup cost.

Knowing the Chinese manufacturing capacity, a small batch can be produced rather quickly to allow Turkey to power up it's KAAN prototypes.

If you're post by an author who doesn't have a formal rebuttal, you might be using the Argument from Silence, the Fallacy of Silence, or the Argument from If you're using a post by an author who doesn't reason , you might be using the Fake bs..

Its obvious from your posts you have NO idea about the topic or the details. No more discussion further.

 

[hodor]

I could've told you that 2 months ago. That's why I said in many old posts, Pakistan needs a heavier engine for it's PFX project that will produce a medium sized jet, hopefully with stealth features. Both Turkey and Pakistan should go in together and make a deal with China with TOT. It will become a cheaper deal as both nations will share the TOT and manufacturing setup cost.

Knowing the Chinese manufacturing capacity, a small batch can be produced rather quickly to allow Turkey to power up it's KAAN prototypes.

We can’t waste time with ToT; we need a ready engine. We’ll produce our own engine anyway. What we need is an engine for the first 50 aircraft

 

[RajaBaja]

We can’t waste time with ToT; we need a ready engine. We’ll produce our own engine anyway. What we need is an engine for the first 50 aircraft

That's even simpler. Because knowing Turkiye and China has history, a TOT would require some work on the Pakistani side. But just to get end product, that should be a much easier and quicker deal. I hope your leadership has already initiated contact with Pakistani counterparts.

Chinese are very smart businessmen. When they know they can build a relationship with Turkey, they'll go for it. Turkiye should make a decision and acquire enough engines to fulfill block I production aircrafts like 50-80, etc. In the meantime, work with the Chinese or Ukrainians to source TOT to build a local engine.

With this refusal on engines, it also means the US wants you in on the F-35 jets. That's also good too.

 

[Oublious]

That's even simpler. Because knowing Turkiye and China has history, a TOT would require some work on the Pakistani side. But just to get end product, that should be a much easier and quicker deal. I hope your leadership has already initiated contact with Pakistani counterparts.

Chinese are very smart businessmen. When they know they can build a relationship with Turkey, they'll go for it. Turkiye should make a decision and acquire enough engines to fulfill block I production aircrafts like 50-80, etc. In the meantime, work with the Chinese or Ukrainians to source TOT to build a local engine.

With this refusal on engines, it also means the US wants you in on the F-35 jets. That's also good too.

Ther will be no Chinese engine and no Ukraine engine, why are you people talking like this is a bag patatoes level business?

 

[PakAl]

We can’t waste time with ToT; we need a ready engine. We’ll produce our own engine anyway. What we need is an engine for the first 50 aircraft

Chinese ws10C engine will be suitable for Kaan, China most likely will sell it aswell, it's old technology aswell. To buy the newest Ws15 engine will be difficult.

 

[RajaBaja]

Ther will be no Chinese engine and no Ukraine engine, why are you people talking like this is a bag patatoes level business?

So are you going to re-negotiate with the US? French will also not sell their Snecma.......what options exist?

 

[Oublious]

So are you going to re-negotiate with the US? French will also not sell their Snecma.......what options exist?

Focus on TF35000, ther is nothing more left. Put all the money and resources to that. Buyinh a Chinese engine is not a resolve. Beside that will the Chinese sell the engine and will it fit?

And i think ther is a price tag, no engines no nuclear and boeing deal.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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NEW: US Congress has blocked the export of engines that would be used for Turkey’s fifth generation aircraft Kaan, Turkish FM says

Looks like the USA wants to kill the Kaan project by denying engines and offering the f35 to soak up all funding.

Interesting( shocking!!!).

If this report is true, then how does Turkiye solve the problem of F35 operated by Greece and Israel until Kaan is ready.