Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Foinikas]

From military point of view hiding in tunnels is the best attack strategy Hamas used and against all the odds with world most sophisticated army in the world they managed to hold them off for so long.You have the Israeli drones flying constantly 24hr/7 ,the satellites and other surveillance equipment/aircraft watching and listening devices trying to track Hamas movements.

It is the best strategy,however it also has two problems considering it's the Gaza Strip we're talking about and let's say not Vietnam for example(were tunnels were used extensively as well)or south Lebanon: It's a small,caged area that is heavily populated. That's the contrast with the above examples. So the problem is,they are hiding under deep under the city and emerge to attack,but there is a huge population above which is relentlessly bombed and attacked non-stop. That's the problem.

If Hamas had the some weapons from the 50 or so Muslim countries at their disposal than they would liberated Al Qud by now.

That would have been a completely different situation,because that would mean they'd already have their own State,if they were given such weapons and no need for war

The Arabs government are the stooge's of the west look how they all sat around table licking his boots and begging him to stop Gaza genocide while we know Americans are carrying genocide of innocent people.We know who’s responsible for thousands of deaths whose bomb are killing children and who is allowing the starvation.

It's mind-boggling how the majority of Arab countries are unwilling or too scared to do something serious to stop that. In the 60s and 70s,when Israel and the Arabs were at war,the OPEC used oil as a weapon of pressure. Now they're actually INCREASING production.

The Arabs have been slave of American Jewdo -Christian Zionist since the false flag 9/11 attacks it was all a conspiracy to bring Americans to the region with aim to defend Arabs from Islamic extremism.

No man,the Gulf Arabs have been like this ever since 1991. They got too rich and also seeing all the infighting and squabbles in Palestinian politics,they probably thought "who cares,let them sort it out themselves,they want Iran,let Iran pull the snake out of the hole".

Of course,USA and Israel reassuring them of their peace and wealth increasing was probably a major factor!

Imran khan became a challenge for the West/Arabs and they didn’t want Pakistanis to make their own decisions.

Even with his faults and controversies,he was...well,what you said. Remember,he met Putin...the next few days,the PTI government was deposed in a parliamentary "coup" if I can describe it like that as an outsider.

 

[krash]

One could also argue,if it wasn't Hamas and their friends,Gaza wouldn't have been so brutally attacked,as the Israelis wouldn't have real excuses.

How on earth do you consider Iraqis and Khhkhkhkhkhkhamas as the "bravest" and "toughest" in the Muslim world,that's baffling. The Chechens yes,rightfully so. In real combat,they are probably the toughest Muslim warriors. The rest,I don't think so.

Hamas is the natural extreme result of a desperate population. They are corrupt morons who would've had no space in Palestinian society if it had not been subjected to what it has been. There's a reason why Israel has always seen them as an asset.

Anyone idealizing them is naive.

 

[Watandar]

Hamas is the natural extreme result of a desperate population. They are corrupt morons who would've had no space in Palestinian society if it had not been subjected to what it has been. There's a reason why Israel has always seen them as an asset.

Anyone idealizing them is naive.

Hamas came into prominence for few reasons :

1. The secular Palestinian resistance , PLO PFLP etc, dropped the option of armed struggle and recognized Israel in 1993 Oslo accords, in exchange for a vague promise by Israel of a future Palestinian state. PLO became the Palestinian Authority.
2. In the years after Oslo, Palestinians discovered Israel had zero intentions of any Palestinian rights, let alone a state, and its true goal had been to shift the administrative burden of the occupation to the Palestinian Authority.
3. Israeli violence, oppression and land grabbing in West Bank and Gaza continued unabated.
4. Palestinian Authority decided to live with the status quo, either too corrupt or compromised.

People pass judgements on Palestinians from the comfort of their sofas.

 

[krash]

Hamas came into prominence for two reasons :

1. The secular Palestinian resistance , PLO PFLP etc, dropped the option of armed struggle and recognized Israel in 1993 Oslo accords, in exchange for a vague promise by Israel of a future Palestinian state. PLO became the Palestinian Authority.
2. In the years after Oslo, Palestinians discovered Israel had zero intentions of any Palestinian rights, let alone a state, and its true goal had been to shift the administrative burden of the occupation to the Palestinian Authority.
3. Israeli violence, oppression and land grabbing in West Bank and Gaza continued unabated.

People pass judgements on Palestinians from the comfort of their sofas.

You misunderstood me.

Oppress people enough and it will inevitably lead them into the hands of their hitherto fringe extremist elements. A desperate Palestinian father who's collected pieces of his three year old has no time for moral quandaries. He will join whoever gives him the possibility of a fight. The Palestinians cannot be judged for their support of Hamas. That said, Hamas is still a corrupt and extremist organization that does not give two-bits about Palestinians. Their idiotic attacks on Israeli "Civilians", as complicit as they may be, has been counterproductive to the Palestinian cause and has led to thousands of avoidable Palestinian deaths. Hence why Israel has repeatedly funded and regarded them as their asset.

We saw this same phenomenon in play when the entire Iraqi chapter of ISIS was made up of Sunni Iraqis who only wanted to fight against the puppet government's atrocities. They had no ideological motive, at least at the beginning.

 

[Shags101]

Hamas is the natural extreme result of a desperate population. They are corrupt morons who would've had no space in Palestinian society if it had not been subjected to what it has been. There's a reason why Israel has always seen them as an asset.

Anyone idealizing them is naive.

The problem is you can’t blame Hamas for their rise Israel was responsible for their control of Gaza they did everything in their power to make sure the pa was weak and feeble in Gaza they did it purposefully to guarantee their wouldn’t be Palestinian state.
Israel weakened PA so much in Gaza that they knew Hamas would takeover instead of trying to work with moderates in Hamas at the time to join the PA in building up Palestinian society they did everything in their power to shift the power to Hamas ao they could say look look there can never be a Palestine bibi own words.
I may not agree with Hamas and I definitely don’t agree with the PA but end of the day the fault lies with Netanyahu he created this powder keg that blew up in face and here comes the West Bank soon enough they are doing everything in their power to ignite a firestorm unchecked settler terrorist attacks and people get upset when Palestinians fight back and these folks who fight back are not even affiliated with any groups.

 

[hussain0216]

One could also argue,if it wasn't Hamas and their friends,Gaza wouldn't have been so brutally attacked,as the Israelis wouldn't have real excuses.

How on earth do you consider Iraqis and Khhkhkhkhkhkhamas as the "bravest" and "toughest" in the Muslim world,that's baffling. The Chechens yes,rightfully so. In real combat,they are probably the toughest Muslim warriors. The rest,I don't think so.

Very few, dare I say it NONE would resist to this level that the Palestinians and hamas have done

Not the Greeks, not the Germans, not the Russians

No one

 

[Foinikas]

Hamas came into prominence for few reasons :

1. The secular Palestinian resistance , PLO PFLP etc, dropped the option of armed struggle and recognized Israel in 1993 Oslo accords, in exchange for a vague promise by Israel of a future Palestinian state. PLO became the Palestinian Authority.
2. In the years after Oslo, Palestinians discovered Israel had zero intentions of any Palestinian rights, let alone a state, and its true goal had been to shift the administrative burden of the occupation to the Palestinian Authority.
3. Israeli violence, oppression and land grabbing in West Bank and Gaza continued unabated.
4. Palestinian Authority decided to live with the status quo, either too corrupt or compromised.

People pass judgements on Palestinians from the comfort of their sofas.

I partly understand Palestinians in Gaza who went for Hamas back then,they felt that PLO had failed them and they became radicalized. But it was a wrong step,unfortunately. What would they right step have been? I've not idea. In the late 90s and early 2000s when Sharon took power,Israel was already dominant in the area and Palestinians had little say,especially after talks had failed.

 

[Watandar]

I partly understand Palestinians in Gaza who went for Hamas back then,they felt that PLO had failed them and they became radicalized. But it was a wrong step,unfortunately. What would they right step have been? I've not idea. In the late 90s and early 2000s when Sharon took power,Israel was already dominant in the area and Palestinians had little say,especially after talks had failed.

Good question. I've no good ideas either. The Palestinians have been alone and facing a fanatical genocidal movement that wants their land and them gone. The Abraham Accords were fulfilling long standing Zionist desires that the rest of the Arab/Islamic world just forgets about Palestine and focuses on business, tech and "peace" and unfortunately Palestinians saw the Arabs/Muslims accepting these Zionist goals. They became even more desperate than before.

 

[Foinikas]

Good question. I've no good ideas either. The Palestinians have been alone and facing a fanatical genocidal movement that wants their land and them gone. The Abraham Accords were fulfilling long standing Zionist desires that the rest of the Arab/Islamic world just forgets about Palestine and focuses on business, tech and "peace" and unfortunately Palestinians saw the Arabs/Muslims accepting these Zionist goals. They became even more desperate than before.

Look,the problem is after the mid-2000s,the powerful countries started caring less and less about this. And Israel would do what they wanted with impunity from the UN.

 

[Mobius]

Shame.....

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[Watandar]

Shame.....

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Same scam as Oslo 1993.

 

[Jango]

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Why exactly shame?

 

[Mobius]

Why exactly shame?

Recognition of a Palestinian state should not be a bargaining chip during an ongoing genocide. Recognition of a terror state with it's ever expanding illegal settlements shouldn't even be on the cards either.

 

[Watandar]

Why exactly shame?

well from my perspective :

1. Based on Oslo 1993, Israel will use this to get itself recognized by regional countries but then will do its best to sabotage and block an actual Palestinian state.
2. Israel is being allowed to escape accountability for genocide and many war crimes.
3. Israel/America will not change their ways and are actually pursuing Abrahams Shield.

 

[Jango]

Recognition of a Palestinian state should not be a bargaining chip during an ongoing genocide. Recognition of a terror state with it's ever expanding illegal settlements shouldn't even be on the cards either.

Ok...and? Then what? Keep getting bombed? Remain hungry? What's the solution?