Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[krash]

Many critics call the situation in Palestine “hopeless,” but from a strategic perspective adapting to genocide may be the only way to achieve long-term goals. Armed Palestinian resistance groups can adapt to the new reality, and this is the only way to Palestinian liberation. The Qassam brigades, the Hamas wing, the heroic al-Quds brigades, are not idiot extremists with ideological visions or extremist positions.

Hamas began by building an armed force to counter the cruelty and brutality of the Zionist occupation. After taking power, he established a ruling regime.

Even when Hamas was imprisoned by the Israeli regime, it was instrumental in securing the release of Palestinian prisoners of war. Hamas negotiated with the apartheid regime for prisoners.

But during and after wars, its leaders and tactics often change to face reality.

That is not true.

Hamás fits perfectly in the academic deffinition of Resistance.

On the other hand, being created by Israel or even under their supervision, the inquestionable truth it is that if Palestine reached the maturity as new member in the UNGA it is thanks to Hamás. You have the example of the other side (West bank) where they´re dissolving like a sugar cube in your tea.

That is an incomplete understanding of Hamas, IMO. Never said they were ideologues. They are opportunists who prop up their power on the shoulders of a desperate population. They instigate violence to keep stoking the fire and continue their reign. Not that the Israelis would not continue butchering the Palestinians but that the number of reasonless, aimless, and fruitless Hamas attacks that have only resulted in thousands of innocent Palestinian deaths by Israeli retaliation over and over again cannot be for the sake of Palestinians, not in my opinion. Furthermore, they've sullied the Palestinian resistance repeatedly by attacking Israeli "Civilians", having already seen dozens of times how it diminishes the righteous Palestinian voice and grants Israel carte blanche to exact as much suffering as it is capable of. Their prisoners that they've retrieved were paid for by these thousands of innocent Palestinian deaths and the Palestinian cause. Look at Ghaza right now, tell me what Hamas has achieved from Oct 7? Forgive me if I don't celebrate it, even if it has inadvertently resulted in the symbolic recognition of Palestine by a few states. Hamas could've achieved this by only attacking military targets and it would not have given Israel an entire year of impunity.

The Palestinians have been protesting against Hamas' authoritarian and mafia like rule for years. If the Palestinians are protesting something while Israel considers it an asset, then it's best we re-evaluate our take on it.

PS: It is not hopeless. The Palestinians will have their freedom. It is inevitable, short of their complete extermination. It won't be because of Hamas or their impotent attacks.

 

[Bharatah]

This plan is not originally Trump's but the plan that Netanyahu presented at the end of 2023:

 

[Shags101]

Trump pans leaders who ‘foolishly recognized’ Palestine, predicts expansion of Abraham Accords

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www.timesofisrael.com

I think him and Biden are suffering from dementia I really think this is about become worse than better

 

[Falcon29]

Trump saying Netanyahu accepted his plan means nothing.

Until it's printed out in paper, approved by his cabinet, and signed off by his office.

Trump is selling fake promises, that doesn't require Israel to sign off on anything or enter conditional agreement, but requires Palestinians to.

Show us proof there's an actual tangible agreement on the table.

There isn't. Netanyahu didn't sign off on any tangible agreement. Neither did his cabinet.

Trump administration doesn't even have one.

 

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[hussain0216]

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Trump is not the king of the world

Israel has condemned itself and condemned the Jews

Both will suffer the consequences, the Palestinians for all their suffering will resist

 

[lightning f57]

Yahu and trumpy are high on delusion. After what they have done last 2 years of genocide against a native population they think they can brush it under the carpet.

Many of us will never forget the cruelty they have resorted to. Israel has a long way to go before being accepted as a normal nation.

Yahu said this" i think today we are taking a critical step to both ending the war in Gaza and setting the stage for greatly advancing peace in the middle east, and I think beyond the middle east, with very important Muslim countries"

 

[Watandar]

Yahu said this" i think today we are taking a critical step to both ending the war in Gaza and setting the stage for greatly advancing peace in the middle east, and I think beyond the middle east, with very important Muslim countries"

Yeah , Pakistan , Saudis and Indonesia have joined the list of those who sold out the Palestinians.

 

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[Unknowntruth]

oh give it a break- coalitions of arabs couldnt stop them existing time and time again... move on

What are you talking about?

I am pointing to the fact that Israel does not want 2 states and only bides time to occupy and ethnically cleanse more land.

The failed Arab actions has no bearing on what I am saying.

Move on?

We can all close our eyes and play stupid but it doesn’t mean this expansionist genocidal terrorist entity is going to stop.

 

[Unknowntruth]

That is an incomplete understanding of Hamas, IMO. Never said they were ideologues. They are opportunists who prop up their power on the shoulders of a desperate population. They instigate violence for the sake of keep stoking the fire so as to continue their reign. Not that the Israelis would not continue butchering the Palestinians but that the number of reasonless, aimless, and fruitless Hamas attacks that have only resulted in thousands of innocent Palestinian deaths by Israeli retaliation over and over again cannot be for the sake of Palestinians, not in my opinion. Furthermore, they've sullied the Palestinian resistance repeatedly by attacking Israeli "Civilians", having already seen dozens of times how it diminishes the righteous Palestinian voice and grants Israel carte blanche to exact as much suffering as it is capable of. Their prisoners that they've retrieved were paid for by these thousands of innocent Palestinian deaths and the Palestinian cause. Look at Ghaza right now, tell me what Hamas has achieved from Oct 7? Forgive me if I don't celebrate it, even if it has inadvertently resulted in the symbolic recognition of Palestine by a few states. Hamas could've achieved this by only attacking military targets and it would not have given Israel an entire year of impunity.

The Palestinians have been protesting against Hamas' authoritarian and mafia like rule for years. If the Palestinians are protesting something while Israel considers it an asset, then it's best we re-evaluate our take on it.

PS: It is not hopeless. The Palestinians will have their freedom. It is inevitable, short of their complete extermination. It won't be because of Hamas or their impotent attacks.

How many civilians were killed by Hamas vs how many of their own civilians were killed by Israels own hands under the Hannibal directive?

 

[PakFactor]

What are you talking about?

I am pointing to the fact that Israel does not want 2 states and only bides time to occupy and ethnically cleanse more land.

The failed Arab actions has no bearing on what I am saying.

Move on?

We can all close our eyes and play stupid but it doesn’t mean this expansionist genocidal terrorist entity is going to stop.

The last paragraph is for the Islamic world to figure out, but I'm doubtful they have the caliber of people to organize and put into place a program, you've had 70-plus years.

 

[Jango]

The founder of Pakistan along with the vast majority of the population don't wish to recognise that filthy state.

Yeah let's forget what the people getting bombed actually want, let's forget what the regional powers want, and instead we should worry what the founder of Pakistan said regarding Israel?

Baki sab founder ki batain man li hain?

The stupid hills that we sometimes want to die on...

 

[Jango]

Maybe you are new to this but this movie has been seem many times before. Mr Tony Blair who is supposed to be coming into administer Gaza is also an old hand at this scams on Palestine. Remember the Quartet ?

I recognize that holding the powerful to account isn't realistic, but you can at least try by using whatever power you have in your hands, which is trade, communication, diplomatic recognition. You don't need to just run into Israeli arms just because they are powerful and you are not.

PLO recognized Israel in 1993, what benefits did it bring them ? Israel is a reality we all know this, the problem is their behavior, the 100 years of war they have imposed on the region. You think they will stop their behavior because you recognized them and allowed them to escape any accountability for all the crimes they have committed ?

I recognize you are attracted to the dream of a "new Middle East" that supposedly will emerge with all that input from Jewish money, technology, weapons and trade and that sacrificing Palestine is ok for all that, but I think its all a mirage.

Ok, give an alternate.

What trade, communication, or diplomatic recognition finesse can the muslim world can do to stop the current status quo? What other magic wand can we wave?

 

[Falcon29]

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