Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Unknowntruth]

Any Muslim nation who supports this peace plan has signed the death warrant for every person in Gaza.

This is either

1. Surrender and be at the will of a terror state bent on expansionism who will control and slowly strangle you then force you out your home. Another West Bank disarmed and filled with settlements that the terror army constantly kills people with impunity under oppression.

Or

2. Death

 

[Unknowntruth]

Please read my posts again, you've missed the entire point.

I understand your point, but what is the alternative? Gaza was strangled to death and people were suffering under the hands of this terror state. It’s either be slowly killed or fight for your freedom.

 

[Saifullah]

Those who say Hamas disarming will bring peace, what about West Bank?
West Bank is everything they’re trying to make Gaza into. They have Palestinian authority which acts like a proxy to israel and no real opposition in West Bank. What is the result? Unchecked israeli settler expansion and israeli oppression. People forgot right before Oct 7 the year 2023 was the bloodiest for West Bank in many years. What will foreign troops and investments achieve in Gaza? Why couldn’t the same be achieved in West Bank for all these years? Yes the genocide should be stopped at all costs but the current plan provides no guarantees for the security of Gaza. Sending foreign troops into Gaza won’t make anything better. Remember when Serbians genocided Muslim Bosnia there was UN troops there that ignored or withdrew. Same in many regions in many conflicts around the world there’s already so called “peacekeepers” who just ignore everything that happens. Israel is known to break agreements they literally backtracked once Hamas accepted israeli terms for a ceasefire then targeted Hamas negation team in Qatar.
Netanyahu knows once war ends his corruption cases will come back. He prolong the war and enters into to wars to save him. Hamas returning hostages will be a PR victory for Netanyahu then israelis resume their genocide. If the world had so much power to prevent the Israelis from genociding Palestinians, where were they all these years? Instead they continue selling weapons to Israel or even providing intel and helping gather targets for israel to strike in Gaza.
Knowing israel doesn’t want an end to wars in the region, the question is who’s next? Gaza is Israel’s main front right now. The second they find some relief in Gaza they’ll start a new war somewhere else. That’s why this deal wouldn’t be ending the war rather it’ll be giving israel the strategic pause it desires while allowing it to attack on other fronts before coming back for the Gaza front.
Already look at the mercenaries guarding aid sites in Gaza. Many news channels have exposed them to be extreme right white anti Islam nationalist groups who are responsible for killing thousands of civilians at these aid sites. People who are more brutal and indoctrinated than maybe a Daeshi. For Gaza one can say Oct 7 is why israel invaded but what about southern Lebanon, Palestinian settlements in West Bank, and southern Syria? Its clear Zionists policy is greater Israel.

The whole “peace in Gaza” and all Trumps 20 points seen infeasible. Peace will come once israel stops its desires to create greater israel and returns occupied areas to its rightful owners.

 

[krash]

I understand your point, but what is the alternative? Gaza was strangled to death and people were suffering under the hands of this terror state. It’s either be slowly killed or fight for your freedom.

IMO, bide their time. You did it, you are now free. You fight when you are able to. Getting Palestinians killed in the tens of thousands, while Hamas hides in tunnels, without anything in return, doesn't achieve anything.

If they must fight then fight the Israeli military and not allow it the impunity that it gets from Hamas' attacks on "civilians". For all the Israeli atrocities in the West Bank, it is better off than Ghaza. Let's not forget that Hamas' aim for Oct 7 was to acquire Israeli hostages to exchange for their men, not concessions for Ghaza. What freedom did it achieve? Israel, OTOH, was waiting for this opportunity.

 

[Unknowntruth]

IMO, bide their time. You did it, you are now free. You fight when you are able to. Getting Palestinians killed in the tens of thousands, while Hamas hides in tunnels, without anything in return, doesn't achieve anything.

If they must fight then fight the Israeli military and not allow it the impunity that it gets from Hamas' attacks on "civilians". For all the Israeli atrocities in the West Bank, it is better off than Ghaza. Let's not forget that Hamas' aim for Oct 7 was to acquire Israeli hostages to exchange for their men, not concessions for Ghaza. What freedom did it achieve? Israel, OTOH, was waiting for this opportunity.

“Bide your time”?

Let’s not pretend anything was being done for the Palestinian people.

Do you think their outcome is going to magically change when nothing was being done?

What time is sufficient? When the Palestinians have been completely expelled from their land and homes razed for settlements?

 

[Meengla]

They want the prisoners of war released in 72 hours and may likely break away from the agreement and resume their plans. They basically want Hamas to forfeit their only 1 hard leverage over Israel as soon as possible.

Right!!
But remember long ago there were some in this thread, even a wise-guy Palestinian, who wanted the Gazans to execute all the prisoners?!! That's the level of intelligence some forum members have as if they knew better than those on the ground! Only those on the ground resisting know their reality and their dire circumstances and they have been alone since the northern front folded several months ago. PDF members pontificating in their delusional comfortable abodes about this or that should have stopped a long time ago (not saying you are).

Going forwarded: It will be very important to see the sequences of events. Muslim armies positioning between the Gazans and the Israelis in Gaza before or during the hostages releases will be very interesting to follow.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Those who say Hamas disarming will bring peace, what about West Bank?
West Bank is everything they’re trying to make Gaza into. They have Palestinian authority which acts like a proxy to israel and no real opposition in West Bank. What is the result? Unchecked israeli settler expansion and israeli oppression. People forgot right before Oct 7 the year 2023 was the bloodiest for West Bank in many years. What will foreign troops and investments achieve in Gaza? Why couldn’t the same be achieved in West Bank for all these years? Yes the genocide should be stopped at all costs but the current plan provides no guarantees for the security of Gaza. Sending foreign troops into Gaza won’t make anything better. Remember when Serbians genocided Muslim Bosnia there was UN troops there that ignored or withdrew. Same in many regions in many conflicts around the world there’s already so called “peacekeepers” who just ignore everything that happens. Israel is known to break agreements they literally backtracked once Hamas accepted israeli terms for a ceasefire then targeted Hamas negation team in Qatar.
Netanyahu knows once war ends his corruption cases will come back. He prolong the war and enters into to wars to save him. Hamas returning hostages will be a PR victory for Netanyahu then israelis resume their genocide. If the world had so much power to prevent the Israelis from genociding Palestinians, where were they all these years? Instead they continue selling weapons to Israel or even providing intel and helping gather targets for israel to strike in Gaza.
Knowing israel doesn’t want an end to wars in the region, the question is who’s next? Gaza is Israel’s main front right now. The second they find some relief in Gaza they’ll start a new war somewhere else. That’s why this deal wouldn’t be ending the war rather it’ll be giving israel the strategic pause it desires while allowing it to attack on other fronts before coming back for the Gaza front.
Already look at the mercenaries guarding aid sites in Gaza. Many news channels have exposed them to be extreme right white anti Islam nationalist groups who are responsible for killing thousands of civilians at these aid sites. People who are more brutal and indoctrinated than maybe a Daeshi. For Gaza one can say Oct 7 is why israel invaded but what about southern Lebanon, Palestinian settlements in West Bank, and southern Syria? Its clear Zionists policy is greater Israel.

The whole “peace in Gaza” and all Trumps 20 points seen infeasible. Peace will come once israel stops its desires to create greater israel and returns occupied areas to its rightful owners.

They do not believe that it will bring peace. They want a way out of the Palestinian cause where Palestinians can slowly be killed off and expelled from their land. They don’t want Palestinians to make a noise as they are being killed.

 

[krash]

“Bide your time”?

Let’s not pretend anything was being done for the Palestinian people.

Do you think their outcome is going to magically change when nothing was being done?

What change did it achieve? What change did you hope that it would achieve? What change do you see it achieving?

What time is sufficient? When the Palestinians have been completely expelled from their land and homes razed for settlements?

How much of that was stopped by Oct 7? There are no homes in Ghaza, only rubble with tens of thousands of dead Palestinians under it. In the West Bank Israel has increased its atrocities behind the cover of Ghaza. These romanticized notions of resistance are easy to entertain from thousands of kilometers away. They are of no use to Palestinians.

 

[RescueRanger]

Fatah welcomes US-led efforts, but senior official calls plan ‘document of surrender’​

The Palestinian political movement that dominates the Palestinian Authority has welcomed efforts led by Trump to end the war in Gaza and protect innocent lives, according to a statement carried by the official Wafa news agency.

The group said it is ready to cooperate with all parties to secure a ceasefire, allow humanitarian aid into the famine-struck enclave, ensure the release of captives and Palestinian prisoners, and establish international mechanisms to safeguard Palestinians.

The statement also called for the release of frozen Palestinian tax funds, a complete Israeli withdrawal, and steps to restore unity across Gaza, the occupied West Bank, and East Jerusalem as part of a two-state solution.

Fatah added that it supports President Mahmoud Abbas’s pledge to implement reforms, including holding presidential and parliamentary elections within a year of the war’s end.

But senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki struck a sharply different tone in separate comments to local media, describing the US plan as a “document of surrender” imposed on Palestinians without their consent.

He warned that accepting such proposals would entrench humiliation, legitimise occupation, and fragment Palestinian unity, accusing Washington and Israel of plotting to “liquidate the Palestinian cause”.

- Al Jazeera

 

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[Unknowntruth]

What change did it achieve? What change did you hope that it would achieve? What change do you see it achieving?



How much of that was stopped by Oct 7? There are no homes in Ghaza, only rubble with tens of thousands dead Palestinians under it. In the West Bank Israel has increased its atrocities behind the cover of Ghaza. These romanticized notions of resistance are easy to entertain from thousands of kilometers away. They are of no use to Palestinians.

I never said I agreed with October 7.

HOWEVER

It is every people’s right to resist their oppressors. You cannot dictate how a people choose to exercise that right however that may be.

Blaming Hamas for resisting is turning a blind eye for the genocide Israel commits. Hamas resisting does not justify a genocide of a people.

It might have not changed anything but it exposed all these Muslim states who are run by coward leaders or traitors.

West Bank is the same as before. Everything was done behind closed doors but now their real agenda is for everyone to see in the open.

 

[Falcon29]

Netanyahu is a crazed fanatic

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[Falcon29]

Netanyahu says won't withdraw troops from anywhere in Gaza. Despite agreement stipulating they must withdraw to border areas.

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[Falcon29]

I never said I agreed with October 7.

HOWEVER

It is every people’s right to resist their oppressors. You cannot dictate how a people choose to exercise that right however that may be.

Blaming Hamas for resisting is turning a blind eye for the genocide Israel commits. Hamas resisting does not justify a genocide of a people.

It might have not changed anything but it exposed all these Muslim states who are run by coward leaders or traitors.

West Bank is the same as before. Everything was done behind closed doors but now their real agenda is for everyone to see in the open.

There's nothing morally or ethically wrong about Toofan Al-Aqsa, which targeted the IDF southern division. It's a rather normal military reprisal. Happens a lot in Ukraine - Russia war.

Only reason dynamics are different is because of colonial racism + very weak Arab states that led to very lopsided balance of power in region. So when Israel goes out and starts killing civilians, it tries to shift onus and emotional responsibility onto the victim.

 

[Ravenman]

How is it possible that Turkey, Pakistan and Indonesia are OK with this terrible bogus plan? Unbelievable.