Canada lists India's Bishnoi gang as terrorist entity

[Paitoo]

Are you denying displacement of the Bishnoi community in guise of conversation attempts or mining ventures?

I am not undermining anyone's ability to run private militias in India but to suggest that these are few individuals without communal backing is simply intellectual dishonesty.

If you seem to have a good grasp of this, can you tell us the groups charter or manifesto? Since a terrorist group designation implies it has political aims behind the violence. Or are foreign countries just picking random gangsters in India and portraying them as terrorists.

Sir ji, you are grossly mistaken. In India your affinity to the Bishnoi community is decided by whether you like Salman Khan movies or not

 

[El Sidd]

Sir ji, you are grossly mistaken. In India your affinity to the Bishnoi community is decided by whether you like Salman Khan movies or not

The ideological support may very well play out in the economics of the Hindi cinema but the ideology is deeply embedded in the society. The community is revered as champions of their ways who resisted the Mughal colonialism.

Previously they used to be around one particular region of Sind but now dispersed and dealing with harsh realities of the world beyond their peaceful humble ancestral Sind. Quite many are assured to go postal.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Are you denying displacement of the Bishnoi community in guise of conversation attempts or mining ventures?

Are you claiming systemic exploitation of this community in the garb of an activity different from what it is?

Secondly, how is this community and a criminal linked to each other, other than a surname? It is about an individual who has created a criminal empire and has been now incarcerated.
Don’t link it to the community as a whole.

few individuals without communal backing is simply intellectual dishonesty.

You are being dishonest here by trying to link a criminal organisation to a community for the sake of it. His gang manners are mostly from other communities with criminal tendencies.

Since a terrorist group designation implies it has political aims

Intellectual dishonesty again. Can’t there be an organisation with criminal intent and exceptional reach with an aim to profit though criminal activities that can be tagged as terrorist. The name terrorist signifies terror and not political leanings. Why Canada declared them terrorist is probably there well knit organisation and reach and strict action deemd through this declaration.

I don’t know why so many people here are so keen to create a non existent narrative over this?
Probably they sense that in this world beset with terror organisations created in and by Pakistan, they have a chance now to claim similar thing by India.
You may have to find something else. This isn’t going to cut the ice.
Canadian newspapers have reported this in detail.
Please read them before trying to create mountain out of mole hill.

 

[Paitoo]

The ideological support may very well play out in the economics of the Hindi cinema but the ideology is deeply embedded in the society. The community is revered as champions of their ways who resisted the Mughal colonialism.

Previously they used to be around one particular region of Sind but now dispersed and dealing with harsh realities of the world beyond their peaceful humble ancestral Sind. Quite many are assured to go postal.

They are probably the original Mohenjodarians?

 

[El Sidd]

Are you claiming systemic exploitation of this community in the garb of an activity different from what it is?

Secondly, how is this community and a criminal linked to each other, other than a surname? It is about an individual who has created a criminal empire and has been now incarcerated.
Don’t link it to the community as a whole.

Like NDS Chauhan would say, not important why he has a terror empire but how he has it is what matters.

You are being dishonest here by trying to link a criminal organisation to a community for the sake of it. His gang manners are mostly from other communities with criminal tendencies.

That is more about the ideological pull he enjoys that others apart from Bishnoi community are accepting their ways of life.

Intellectual dishonesty again. Can’t there be an organisation with criminal intent and exceptional reach with an aim to profit though criminal activities that can be tagged as terrorist. The name terrorist signifies terror and not political leanings. Why Canada declared them terrorist is probably there well knit organisation and teach and strict action deemd though this declaration.

You are asking for Indian exceptions and interpretation to norms of the business.

Probably they sense that in this world beset with terror organisations created in and by Pakistan, they have a chance now to claim similar thing by India.
You may have to find something else. This isn’t going to cut the ice.

Very little motivation exists in Pakistani quarters to seek vengence for Indian role in terrorism in Pakistan. This can be attributed to India's golden luck as it would not survive half of what was thrown at Pakistan. So don't worry about hills and the ice on top of them.

 

[El Sidd]

They are probably the original Mohenjodarians?

Their ways have been judged to be extreme. The greater Sindhi nation has long been respectful but mindful of their ways. Genius idea to disperse them across the Indian country by father of modern India.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The world has finally realised not to take you seriously anymore.

I have been hearing this for few decades myself. I am sure, it is being claimed longer than that. We will see, when we see.

Some Pakistani molvi uncles do some jigonism and you will use it as evidence.

Nice try to deflect and selectively ignore. Your sitting presidents and Ex presidents have accepted these things. Few molvi may be sellable domestically. Just few months back your interior minster was trying to protect one individual and the very next day he was declared a wanted man by the US. There are enough such instances. But, people do have selective memory regarding such issues.

Very little motivation exists in Pakistani quarters to seek vengence for Indian role in terrorism in Pakistan.

I disagree. They have and had all the motivation and time to go fully into supporting with arms and ammunition.
But, those days are numbered. Your domestic terrorism is offshoot of what your rulers had been trying to export for decades starting with Zia Ul Haq.
But, that discussion is for another thread and time.

Please stay on topic and talk about this thread and stop spreading misinformation regarding this ban by Canada.

 

[El Sidd]

I disagree. They have and had all the motivation and time to go fully into supporting with arms and ammunition.
But, those days are numbered. Your domestic terrorism is offshoot of what your rulers had been trying to export for decades starting with Zia Ul Haq.
But, that discussion is for another thread and time.

Please stay on topic and talk about this thread and stop spreading misinformation regarding this ban by Canada.

You didn't say anything about their manifesto and how they built a terror empire. Don't need to repeat things for Pakistan, many books have been written and many moons have witnessed it all.

 

[Vkdindian1]

You didn't say anything about their manifesto and how they built a terror empire. Don't need to repeat things for Pakistan, many books have been written and many moons have witnessed it all.

You are not lord of the world that you demand and people start giving you things.
It was explained to you but your tape seems to be stuck because the explanation doesn’t seem to suit your narrative.

Don't need to repeat things for Pakistan

It is required for people with short and selective and short memory.
Now get back on the topic and don’t hope to get extract any mileage out of this situation.

 

[El Sidd]

You are not lord of the world that you demand and people start giving you things.

An interesting understanding of Lordship. Not much of a Lord if its all about taking.

It was explained to you

Point it out gently if i may have missed it.

Now get back on the topic

I am trying.

 

[Vkdindian1]

I am trying.

Try harder. And sincerely. And most importantly, right intent which has been missing till now.

Point it out gently if i may have missed it.

Move a leg and do some work yourself.

 

[El Sidd]

Try harder. And sincerely. And most importantly, right intent which has been missing till now.

Move a leg and do some work yourself.

You are not of a very cooperative nature.

 

[Vkdindian1]

You are not of a very cooperative nature.

Wrong again.
Those who solicit cooperation in a an honourable way, get plenty of it.
Your intent and effort till now has been to malign my nation rather than an honest discussion by even stretch of imagination.
Wouldn’t work with me.
@mods, could you please close this thread. It has lived its useful life and last few pages have been of no value due to few posters trying to give this issue a twist which doesn’t exist. Thanks.

 

[El Sidd]

Wring again.
Those who solicit cooperation in a an honourable way, get plenty of it.
Your intent and effort till now has been to malign my nation rather than an honest discussion by even stretch of imagination.
Wouldn’t work with me.

It's foreign governments who are designating your countrymen as terrorists. Why didn't your honor and love for the nation help stop this before it became an international terrorism problem?

I am just giving an opinion that these people are being encouraged by elements of the Indian state who have been complicit in erecting their terror empires.

 

[Vkdindian1]

It's foreign governments who are designating your countrymen as terrorists. Why didn't your honor and love for the nation help stop this before it became an international terrorism problem?

You are again twisting facts to malign and mislead.

What you completely missed(intentionally or due to bad intent) is that foreign government in question has named this individual a terrorist on Indian request.

Probably, you can’t relate to such a situation. You are used to your nationals being declared most wanted fugitives while your government is trying to protect them.
Why didn’t we stop? Really? Is that your thought? Please don’t allow a poster to belittle you due to your juvenile and childish views.

I am just giving an opinion that these people are being encouraged by elements of the Indian state who have been complicit in erecting their terror empires.

It is an opinion without any facts or basis. An opinion contrary to the facts available while drumming up imaginary scenarios and insinuations with an intent to malign.