Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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A lot of people missing the point that Gaza is basically indefensible, its surrounded by IDF on 3 sides and 1 side by Egypt which already has peace deals with Israel/America, so Hamas did their best to mount some defense by digging tunnels under Gaza, their hope was that they will force IDF into a urban warfare and this will highlight the Palestinian cause on world stage and they hoped that GCC will use their power/leverage to barter a reasonable deal, but in reality Israel although enter Gaza and lost many soldiers but they just keep dropping bombs and killing civilians, Arabs did not come to the rescue and in fact Israel with American's help take out Hezbullah and Syria/Lebanon, Iran is rebuilding and already preparing for round 2 so they will be occupied for their own defense rather than supporting any proxy, If Genocide stop with Israel going back to their original position with some International force protecting Gaza, I would say its a reasonable deal because they won't be getting any better deal cause Israel can do the bombing indefinitely for as long as they want and eventually kick out Gazan or killed them all while the world stand and watch.
 
wow, just wow. you just showed your true face to the Pdfers. calling genuine resistance as terrorist while defending the real terrorists and occupiers. i wanted to say "I did not expect that from you" but then you are a greek, and I expected very much that you would let your true feelings slip out someday.
My "true face"? My "true feelings"? So I should sit down and applaud Hamas who has one of the most detestable conduct records in modern history? You get a look at what they've done in the past. You condemn Israelis when they bomb a hospital,you praise Hamas for bombing a bus stop?
 
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It breaks my heart every time watching this elderly man weep like this - for bread. Ya Allah madad.

Truly, these people, the people of Palestine will be among those who will have the highest place in Jannah, InshaALLAH.

It's only in the hands of God now,the isn't any strong country willing to do anything. It's in the hands of God now.
 
A lot of people missing the point that Gaza is basically indefensible, its surrounded by IDF on 3 sides and 1 side by Egypt which already has peace deals with Israel/America, so Hamas did their best to mount some defense by digging tunnels under Gaza, their hope was that they will force IDF into a urban warfare and this will highlight the Palestinian cause on world stage and they hoped that GCC will use their power/leverage to barter a reasonable deal, but in reality Israel although enter Gaza and lost many soldiers but they just keep dropping bombs and killing civilians, Arabs did not come to the rescue and in fact Israel with American's help take out Hezbullah and Syria/Lebanon, Iran is rebuilding and already preparing for round 2 so they will be occupied for their own defense rather than supporting any proxy, If Genocide stop with Israel going back to their original position with some International force protecting Gaza, I would say its a reasonable deal because they won't be getting any better deal cause Israel can do the bombing indefinitely for as long as they want and eventually kick out Gazan or killed them all while the world stand and watch.
No , you're wrong. This would be the same as saying that Nazis are killing their people, so the solution is to lay down their arms and let the Nazis control the place... such a statement borders on the absurd.


1- TRUMP'S REAL PLAN is a colonization PLAN :

- Israel, US, England will occupy Gaza
- There is no Palestinian state
- Gaza administered by genocidal Tony Blair!
- PALESTINIAN DISARMAMENT
- Netanyahu's arrest at the ICC will be annulled, and Palestinians will have to say he never commits genocide !
- There is no guarantee , palestine will not be expelled.
- Palestinians will continue to be killed by Israel, which will occupy the region and claim in the media that it is preventing "the return of Hamas." In Syria, Israel said that its problem was with Assad. Well, Assad left, and Israeli attacks on Syria increased by over 400%.

2- On the other side , if there is no "trump deal" :
- Palestinians will be dead(like there will be also dead with Trump Deal) but
- With Gaza occupied by "Israel" the number of Israeli soldiers killed and committing suicide (which is already being hidden) will increase drastically.
- Israel will become increasingly isolated and hated by people around the world.
- "Israel's" adversaries will evolve militarily more and more
- as the years go by, it will become unsustainable for "Israel", which will have to give in and even perhaps (after Netanyahu) accept a Palestinian state.

Now, I ask you: which of the two options(1 or 2) is better for Palestinians and worse for Israel? Think.
 
It does not matter what moral principles the world claims to hold. It is run on the interests of bastards who have the power to run it. Morality has nothing to do with the excuse Israel was given by Hamas. The hyaena will always see you as food, letting it loose inside your home is not wise.




Not on this massive scale is all I am after. If you see yourself achieving something from resisting then God Speed. I hope to be of some help that day. But if you don't, then please sit down and spare as many kids as possible the unnecessary horrors that they have endured.....until the time that you can achieve something.



You are romanticizing what happened, again. The common people of Ghaza were not a part of Hamas' decision to conduct an operation for the release of its men. We don't see the common Ghazans out resisting. They are busy dying in "safe" camps. This was not righteous resistance...at the very best, it was an idiotic operation at the behest of a self-serving organization that decided to throw their civilians to the wolves for nothing. Ask yourself...what was Hamas aiming to achieve for the people of Ghaza or the resistance on Oct 7? What have the tens of thousands of Ghazan deaths served for the resistance? Was there anyone in the world who did not foresee the Israeli response and the Palestinian helplessness against it?

Again, fighting for the sake of just resisting, which I do not believe was Hamas' aim, while forsaking tens of thousands of your kids to a genocide is selfish and serves nothing. Spare those kids and they might achieve what you cannot.



How many in Ghaza?

Thanks for this post
 
No , you're wrong. This would be the same as saying that Nazis are killing their people, so the solution is to lay down their arms and let the Nazis control the place... such a statement borders on the absurd.


1- TRUMP'S REAL PLAN is a colonization PLAN :

- Israel, US, England will occupy Gaza
- There is no Palestinian state
- Gaza administered by genocidal Tony Blair!
- PALESTINIAN DISARMAMENT
- Netanyahu's arrest at the ICC will be annulled, and Palestinians will have to say he never commits genocide !
- There is no guarantee , palestine will not be expelled.
- Palestinians will continue to be killed by Israel, which will occupy the region and claim in the media that it is preventing "the return of Hamas." In Syria, Israel said that its problem was with Assad. Well, Assad left, and Israeli attacks on Syria increased by over 400%.

2- On the other side , if there is no "trump deal" :
- Palestinians will be dead(like there will be also dead with Trump Deal) but
- With Gaza occupied by "Israel" the number of Israeli soldiers killed and committing suicide (which is already being hidden) will increase drastically.
- Israel will become increasingly isolated and hated by people around the world.
- "Israel's" adversaries will evolve militarily more and more
- as the years go by, it will become unsustainable for "Israel", which will have to give in and even perhaps (after Netanyahu) accept a Palestinian state.

Now, I ask you: which of the two options(1 or 2) is better for Palestinians and worse for Israel? Think.
Its not up for me to decide which option is best for Palestinians, its their decision to make... if they think that keep fighting will eventually get them freedom and losing 60-70k is not enough then by all means they can keep fighting and watching poor Gazan kids starved to death, 50+ already starved in Gaza and God knows many will and Israel has no rush to end the war, they can just keep bombing at will by saying " Khamas " and entire Western world will stay quite.
Those who are preaching for Palestinians to keep the fight please send your families in Gaza and then preach about Hamas to keep the fighting, don't expect Gazans to fight while you live in UK/France/USA/Pakistan/GCC etc.
 
I’m trying to find napak’s puppet govt’s recent acceptance of abraham accords that trump also mentioned
 
Palestine is not Hamas,enough said. As for the last part of your post,it shows YOUR true feelings and colors.
Yeah,easy-easy,but you gotta think about the other side too.

Pals thought terror would earn them freedom. It didn't. It made things worse. When the time was better for negotiations and talks,the PLO kept fighting a guerilla war. Then they started terror attacks. Then Israelis became more indifferent and took stricter measures. Then Pal factions made terror their main doctrine. That made Israelis take even more hostile stances: Walls,fences,more checkpoints,more raids,more attacks in PA territory, heavier operations,more discrimination,military presence,more jewish settlers,more far right-wing politicians in the parliament.
Take a load of what you said mister, you are basically saying Palestinian resistance is terrorism and israeli response is justified. And yes my true feeling is what i wrote / write, i am not a hypocrite like your kind. Now go press the ''Report" button.
 
Its not up for me to decide which option is best for Palestinians, its their decision to make... if they think that keep fighting will eventually get them freedom and losing 60-70k is not enough then by all means they can keep fighting and watching poor Gazan kids starved to death, 50+ already starved in Gaza and God knows many will and Israel has no rush to end the war, they can just keep bombing at will by saying " Khamas " and entire Western world will stay quite.
Those who are preaching for Palestinians to keep the fight please send your families in Gaza and then preach about Hamas to keep the fighting, don't expect Gazans to fight while you live in UK/France/USA/Pakistan/GCC etc.
No, what you're showing is a Zionist propaganda. You're presenting a narrative, saying that if there's a surrender and an "Israeli" victory, the Palestinians will stop dying, which is a LIE. Israel has been killing Palestinians since 1948, Hamas was created by Israel in 1988. In reality, you're trying to help Israel. Look Lybia , Cisjordania, Syria and etc.

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Above, a Palestinian family hit by a white phosphorus chemical weapon launched by Israel. This image was taken from 2010–2020, not from the current conflict. The Palestinian Holocaust began in 1948.

The only way for Palestinians (or any people) not to be exterminated is through war. Otherwise, they will be exterminated like the more than 100 million indigenous people who lived in the Americas when European colonizers arrived.

We are all fighting, it's no wonder I've been persecuted here in Brasil for decades (I didn't live normally like normal people).
 
Take a load of what you said mister, you are basically saying Palestinian resistance is terrorism and israeli response is justified. And yes my true feeling is what i wrote / write, i am not a hypocrite like your kind. Now go press the ''Report" button.
Targeting soldiers or settlers in west back who are just armed thugs are justified ,attacks on civilians is not justified you can’t say it’s evil when Israel indiscriminately kills innocent Palestinian children and women but when groups do that against Israeli civilians at a pizza parlor or like he said a bus stop it’s not justifiable.
I may not agree with the user a lot of the times you are arguing with but I agree with him on this I wouldn’t want to see a Jewish Christian Buddhist or etc child to be killed because I see a chance at harming a few soldiers we have to be better than the occupation not lesser or equal to them in the value of life
 
Netanyahu Made Major Changes to Trump’s Gaza Plan, Infuriating Arab Leaders: Report

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Washington (QNN)- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly made significant changes to the Gaza plan presented by President Trump on Monday, angering Arab officials involved in the negotiations.

Axios reported on Tuesday, citing sources familiar with the process, that Israel, the US and its Arab partners were all aligned on a final plan.

While Trump and Netanyahu were discussing the plan on camera at the White House, Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani was presenting it to Hamas leaders in Doha, a source with knowledge said.

The deal now before Hamas is significantly different from the one the US and a group of Arab and Muslim countries had previously agreed on, due to Netanyahu’s intervention.

On Sunday, White House envoy Steve Witkoff and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner met for six hours with Netanyahu and his confidant Ron Dermer.

Netanyahu managed to negotiate several edits into the text, in particular on the conditions and timetable for Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza.

The new proposal ties Israel’s withdrawal to the progress of disarming Hamas, and gives Israel a veto over the process, Axios reported.

Even if all conditions are met and three phases of withdrawal are completed, Israeli forces will still remain within a security perimeter inside Gaza “until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.” That could mean indefinitely.

According to Axios, officials from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey were furious over the changes.

The Qataris even tried to convince the Trump administration not to release the detailed plan on Monday due to those objections. The White House released it anyway, and pushed the Arab and Muslim countries to support the plan.

What We Know?

Netanyahu stated that the military will “remain in most of the Gaza Strip,” contradicting the Trump-proposed plan.

“We will recover all our hostages, alive and well, while the [Israeli military] will remain in most of the Gaza Strip,” said Netanyahu in a video shared earlier on Tuesday morning during which he also added that the plan has “turned the tables and isolated Hamas” with terms favourable to Israel.

However, his statement appears to contradict the details of the Trump plan, which stipulates that “Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza” and that its military will gradually withdraw until fully pulled out, except for a temporary security-perimeter presence.

Point 3 of what was then a 21-point plan reported by The Times of Israel stated that “Israeli forces will withdraw to the battle lines as of when the [US special envoy Steve] Witkoff proposal was presented to prepare for hostage release.”

It didn’t specify which Witkoff proposal, even though there have been several. But the updated version published on Monday by the White House stated that “Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed-upon line.”

It reportedly appeared to refer to a new map that was included in the updated version that illustrated three phases of Israeli withdrawals from Gaza.

As Netanyahu mentions in his video, the map shows that Israeli troops will be able to remain in the majority of the Gaza Strip even after the first pullback of Israeli forces in preparation for all of the captives to be released.

They will then be able to remain in those positions until the International Stabilization Force (ISF) of Arab and Muslim countries is prepared to deploy, the plan states.

Even after the second phase of the withdrawal, the forces will remain in over a third of the Strip, the map indicates.

The third withdrawal will clear the final forces out of Gaza, but the map shows that a security buffer zone will be established along the perimeter of the entire Strip.

Point 16 of the original US plan stated that the forces “will progressively hand over the Gaza territory that [it] occup[ies].”

But the updated version adds two lines that further qualify the nature of the withdrawal in Israel’s favor, stating that the forces “will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the US.”

“Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat,” the updated plan adds.

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Hamas has affirmed its “readiness to positively and responsibly consider any proposals received from the mediators, in a way that safeguards the national rights of our people,” including ending the ongoing genocide.

Qatar and Egypt handed the proposal to Hamas on Monday, and “the group’s negotiating delegation promised to study it responsibly,” foreign ministry spokesman Majed al-Ansari told a press conference.

Opposition leader Yair Lapid said afterwards: “Netanyahu says ‘yes’ when he’s in front of the cameras in Washington, then says ‘but’ when he returns and insists that this should not happen now.”

The 20-point plan also says: “While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.”

However, Netanyahu also insisted the plan does not mean Palestinian statehood, and that Israel will “forcibly resist” the idea

 
I guess even the Qataris smell something fishy funny Israelis say it’s nonnegotiable but they negotiated what they wanted seems like a double cross is coming
 
Take a load of what you said mister, you are basically saying Palestinian resistance is terrorism and israeli response is justified. And yes my true feeling is what i wrote / write, i am not a hypocrite like your kind. Now go press the ''Report" button.
🤦🏻‍♂️ I'm saying Hamas kept making things worse. Wake up. Your knights inn shining armor only care for their Muslim Brotherhood dream for Palestine.
 
🤦🏻‍♂️ I'm saying Hamas kept making things worse. Wake up. Your knights inn shining armor only care for their Muslim Brotherhood dream for Palestine.
I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily true I think many of those in Gaza and West Bank believe their cause and goals are justified if a people were being enslaved and beaten down for decades you tend to fight back with whatever means you may think is justified sinwar and dieif actually believed in their actions right or wrong whatever people might think of October 7 attacks on soldiers was justified 💯 percent but if these guys wanted to live the good life they would have sat in their homes sipping tea and watching soccer but they knew sooner or later even if the fighting died down that Israel would come after them but they chose to fight
 
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