PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

[falcon34]

yes still subsonic

Bro Subsonic missiles are far better than supersonic first detecting them is big issue due to radar horizon cause of their low flight path of 10-20 metres and from it seems thing one can even go below 5 metres. Even if they are detecting achieving a lock is hella due radar clutter and rcs, secondly subsonic ones can utilize TERCOM and DSMAC making them immune EW.
We need these in 1000s along with Fatah ballistic missiles going upto 2000km+ range.
You can literally get 10 of these for 1 barhamos missile and each of these 10 will have higher chance of impact from that barhamos.
I hoper we never go for any supersonic CM.

 

[iron shrapnel]

There is a X handle that has it irves watch it is called

I have watched all of his videos and had a lot of footage on phone but saw no launch of F-2

 

[iron shrapnel]

Going low to avoid radas opens up a lot more options to take these down, Orlekins, Gepards and all sorts of ground based fire can stop them... Ukrainian videos have shown that... Either the CM would have to be cheap enough to saturate SHORAD of a strategic asset or some other form of brute force that enables it to achieve objective

Bro Subsonic missiles are far better than supersonic first detecting them is big issue due to radar horizon cause of their low flight path of 10-20 metres and from it seems thing one can even go below 5 metres. Even if they are detecting achieving a lock is hella due radar clutter and rcs, secondly subsonic ones can utilize TERCOM and DSMAC making them immune EW.
We need these in 1000s along with Fatah ballistic missiles going upto 2000km+ range.
You can literally get 10 of these for 1 barhamos missile and each of these 10 will have higher chance of impact from that barhamos.
I hoper we never go for any supersonic CM.

 

[kimjongun]

I have watched all of his videos and had a lot of footage on phone but saw no launch of F-2

that channel only has mostly smoke in distance,and interception vids or somethings no f2 launches

 

[iron shrapnel]

ARFC strategy will be much closer to Ukraine's approach than that of Russia. In other words, while lack of scale/magazine depth is an issue, PA (and PAF) are leaning much more on strong prior mission planning to get value out of every missile strike as possible knowing their limited stocks. That said, expect another Zarb situation where some Chinese SSMs are imported, but re-branded, to make up said numbers.

We don't have Ukraine or Russian level of Strategic depth that is why neither strategies can be copy pasted upon our scenario with India... If ARFC doesn't achieve credible deterrent through large volume fire then we already have a department i.e SPD for limited kind one push one big boom kind of work...
What I understand is ARFC is an additional step in the escalation ladder.
It enables us to play around with already achieved BM and CM tech but in a conventional manner.
& It allows us to respond with our BM and CM inventory without raising to manny eyebrows...

 

[iron shrapnel]

that channel only has mostly smoke in distance,and interception vids or somethings no f2 launches

Yup I had gone through a lot of media but no F-2 launches or after math empty trucks... Claims by India and Pak higher ups is what we have... Indians claiming of F2 interceptions as well..

 

[iron shrapnel]

Going low to avoid radas opens up a lot more options to take these down, Orlekins, Gepards and all sorts of ground based fire can stop them... Ukrainian videos have shown that... Either the CM would have to be cheap enough to saturate SHORAD of a strategic asset or some other form of brute force that enables it to achieve objective

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[falcon34]

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These are not volume fires and Ukraine has NATO sensors.
Russians had shitty tactics for CM fires, I've seen a few too where a CM was going in alone. I am in way saying it will single handedly take down Indian AD.
It will need the support of Sarkash and Blaze loitering munitions.
Fire 20 Sarkash and Blaze munitions and seek in 3-5 Baburs and I can say with 100% certainty that these 3-5 high subsonic terrain hugging missiles flying at 10-20 metres altitude will hit their intended targets.
10 blaze munitions and Sarkash munitions flying between altitudes 10-100 metres and and 10 of these flying at Shorad altitude between 1-5 km altitude will keep indian gepards and Shorads busy.
That's what the Russians have been Doing.
Russian just corrected their strategy for CM fires and they have been deadly ever since

 

[falcon34]

Yup I had gone through a lot of media but no F-2 launches or after math empty trucks... Claims by India and Pak higher ups is what we have... Indians claiming of F2 interceptions as well..

Only this man can clear thus up @Panzerkiel

 

[Princeps]

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This requires a lot of luck and skill. It's not a common occurrence.

 

[Panzerkiel]

Only this man can clear thus up @Panzerkiel

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

A good analysis....

Fatah-IV Tested For The First Time | Detailed Analysis of Lauch Video | Defence Outpost​

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[puttputt]

That could be for Hypersonic missiles especially HGVs, and could be for supersonic missiles.
From all the indications subsonic and quasi ballistic missiles will be produced in pak whilst hypersonics required times sensitive targets will definitely be imported there is no way we have industrial capacity to mass produce a hypersonic missile, subsonic missiles and ballistic missiles will be mass produced at home.

I'd be surprised if the ARFC doesn't pick up the CM-302 at this point. However, I would add that Chinese MLRS are also under consideration so as to drive numbers. Not sure if it would be 400mm or 600mm though, depends on what the Fatah-2's actual diameter is as whatever's left (400 mm or 600 mm) could be imported in large numbers and, eventually produced under license later.

We don't have Ukraine or Russian level of Strategic depth that is why neither strategies can be copy pasted upon our scenario with India... If ARFC doesn't achieve credible deterrent through large volume fire then we already have a department i.e SPD for limited kind one push one big boom kind of work...
What I understand is ARFC is an additional step in the escalation ladder.
It enables us to play around with already achieved BM and CM tech but in a conventional manner.
& It allows us to respond with our BM and CM inventory without raising to manny eyebrows...

Agreed. I was referring to more of how Ukraine plans its missions, selects targets, and how it engages more so than depth issues.

 

[gamaji]

PA and ARFC ans be like @Panzerkiel View attachment 150561

Looks like you got inspired by lullthepull.

 

[falcon34]

I'd be surprised if the ARFC doesn't pick up the CM-302 at this point. However, I would add that Chinese MLRS are also under consideration so as to drive numbers. Not sure if it would be 400mm or 600mm though, depends on what the Fatah-2's actual diameter is as whatever's left (400 mm or 600 mm) could be imported in large numbers and, eventually produced under license later.

The capital used for import of those MLRS should be used boost up manufacturing facilities in Pak of F1/2.
CM302 or HD1A, both have high chances of induction but I doubt it, it's the age hypersonics, that amount should be served better for TOT of HGV from china.
Apart from hypersonics MLRS, long range quasi ballistic missiles based Shaheen series and Babur series of cruise should be localized and should form the backbone of rocket force it's the most feasible and cost effective.