intelgeopol
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That's true and let me add Japan here as the East Asian parallel to Germany. Both were former fascist enemies turned into demilitarized, pro-western, rich car-manufacturing economies as a counterforce to communism.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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That's true and let me add Japan here as the East Asian parallel to Germany. Both were former fascist enemies turned into demilitarized, pro-western, rich car-manufacturing economies as a counterforce to communism.
intelgeopol
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They are now starting to pay the prize of being US vassals. Both have stagnant economies and German industry no longer can access cheap Russian gas but must instead buy expensive US liquified natural gas.
intelgeopol
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Exactly. Iran is better of being a sovereign, nuclear North Korea. Than a failed state destroyed by war.
Mero
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Japan did much of the work to have higher GDP per capita than the US by the 1980s.
Trump was warning in the 1980s about the economic threat posed by Japan. Similar to stop the rise of China of the 2010s.
The Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission were to manage and control Japan for the elites.
Japan did not simply be a success because it fell to the West.
Iraq is dependent on their oil, Iran would be too, except they have an educated class and can be similar to the defeated Axis, in a smaller way.
When anti-Trump is Putin, Trump laughs when you threaten to go to Putin. They are buddies. You know Willy Wonka and Slugworth, they are on the same team. Trump and Putin are on the same team. Falling to the USSR was a real and present danger to the US because America did not own the USSR as it does Russia with cia cronies - Russian Mafia, Russian Oligarchs and Chabad.
Trump was warning in the 1980s about the economic threat posed by Japan. Similar to stop the rise of China of the 2010s.
The Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission were to manage and control Japan for the elites.
Japan did not simply be a success because it fell to the West.
Iraq is dependent on their oil, Iran would be too, except they have an educated class and can be similar to the defeated Axis, in a smaller way.
When anti-Trump is Putin, Trump laughs when you threaten to go to Putin. They are buddies. You know Willy Wonka and Slugworth, they are on the same team. Trump and Putin are on the same team. Falling to the USSR was a real and present danger to the US because America did not own the USSR as it does Russia with cia cronies - Russian Mafia, Russian Oligarchs and Chabad.
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Shafagh
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This is not much different than now and near future. The U.S. will need a counter weight to China and China to the U.S.
But this time, we should pivot to China. The Chinese are an ancient civilization. They are from the orient world, and have a history with us. On top of that, they are not infested by Zionist savants.
I trust them more.
When America turns against Israel, it won't be because they want to hate us. It will be simply because they want to focus on themselves, to rid Jewish influence from their government.
Of course, I could be wrong. Americans are good people too.
Mero
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That is also my prediction. Since opposition to Putin is destroyed in Russia and opposition to Trump in the US is in the process to be dismantled, you are seeing the establishment of a one global government of Team Trump and Team Putin. The problem with China is their ties to Russia, which they need for their own protection. So if China knows Putin is a back stabber, and only uses Russia, then China can be a possible counterweight to the US vs Russia system of both sides controlled by the same players same as the cia controlled Republicans and Democrats for the American Empire agenda.
So there are two options for the US - ignore China and praise China. Realize they lost to China. Though in this stance, there is the looking for Chinese weakness to exploit.
Or wait until the US has the edge and war with China. The goal of the US is to hold China back, though many are saying it is too late.
Both options are similar.
How does Netnayahu fit into this. Netanyahu is the new chaos agent, the new Soros. Soros was used to destroy Democrats and neoliberals. Link them to Soros the boogieman and the population is duped and runs to Putin or Trump. Netanyahu is also a Slugworth, though fits a different role. Netanyahu and Israel brashness have the countries and population run to Putin for protection or Trump for psy-ops as Tru mpsays Trump has nothing to do with Israeli actions - Iran or otherwise, and maga are fooled to stupidty. When again these three are buddies. Though I don't know how long this system can be tolerated with the spread of antisemitism. It could continue until this global government of handled by Trump or handled by Putin is more successful. Why is it a global govenment instead of multipolar, because the two are on the same side, yet two different political parties that fight militarily or politically.
ShapurII
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Thank you, let me explain then.
As I said, Iran's foreign policies have been a mess for the last 47 years.
Ahmadinejad played the game by the rules of our system.
They told us that the game we were playing was to resist the West and fight against Israel, and that's exactly what he did. I would've done exactly the same had I been in his place. Let's review what he did:
1. We were in the same quagmire that we're now about our nuclear program. We had reached a deal with the E3 to restrict our enrichment to only 50-100 IR-1 centrifuges for academic research. We did not have the technology to enrich uranium on our own. The Europeans had referred our case to the UN Security Council in 2004 (last year of Khatami) and the US had just invaded Iraq. So, everybody was afraid that Iran would be next. Ahmadinejad showed that he had balls to make bold moves. He terminated our deal with the E3 unilaterally and then he mass-produced IR-2, then moved on to build IR-2m and IR-4, even IR-6. By the end of his term, we had 13 tones of 3.5% LEU and over 10,000 centrifuges. That move turned the table in our favor. The clock was ticking in our favor for the first time and the Westerners finally decided to pursue a diplomatic solution. We need somebody with balls like Ahmadinejad today.
2. Ahmadinejad addressed the housing crisis. He started to build cheap housing for the poor who had to live in satellite cities near Tehran (Maskan-e Mehr) and loaned these houses to people for 100 years with full ownership at the end.
3. Ahmadinejad tried to fix our enemy by fixing the subsidy system. For decades, the IR has isolated our economy from the rest of the world by keeping our currency weak and compensating for that by huge subsidy plans. The same problem that we have now. He tried to fix that, significantly reduced the problem of fuel smuggling. Our neighboring countries are benefitting hugely from our subsidized gasoline and he stopped that. He tried to fix our banking system by raising the interest rate to 24% (close to inflation at the time), absorbing much of the free liquidity circulating at the hands of the people. He gave each Iranian $50 per month to slowly reform the subsidy system and close the gap between our local economy and global economy. For a country of 5 in poor regions of Iran like Kurdistan and Baluchistan, that would've been $250 per month, almost about two minimum-wage salaries today. Ahmadinejad was the only president of Iran that was popular even in regions with separatist groups.
4. His interviews with the American media were really great. He exposed the hypocrisy of the US regime. Just compare his interviews with people like Rohani, Raeesi or Pezeshkian and you will see how intelligent he sounded.
5. He increased the share of science and education to 3% of the GDP, unprecedented for the IR. At some point, Iran's scientific growth was 11 times the world average. Iran fast became the leading country in the region. We had multiple breakthroughs in our missile program during his administration although Khatami had achieved a lot in this regard as well.
6. He established close ties with countries neighboring the Red Sea like Djibouti and Somalia. A very intelligent strategy for controlling the Bab-el Mandeb Strait. He established close ties with Zimbabwe to import uranium from them. He understood the importance of Africa. I really liked this part of his foreign policy.
So, that's where our oil money went into. Mass housing projects, science and technology, ballistic missiles, nuclear energy, etc. He was by far our best president after Khatami in my opinion.
ShapurII
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Against Iran though.
So, again, Qatar benefitted from getting bombed by Israel and we have people here who think Qatar wants to fight Israel but their hands are tied by the US. lmao
ShapurII
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He has explained it before. He uses the laughing emoji as a way of showing his disagreement with the post. He doesn't mean anything bad as far as I understand.
We do need a thumb down emoji but for whatever reason, the admins do not want to have that.
Kyussis
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Because you are comparing Iran with Japan, Italy and Germany who were rebuilt by the U.S after WWII to act as a bulwark against the Soviet Union. They are all under the boot of the U.S but get to act like "independent" countries. We saw just how Sovereign they are when the U.S destroyed the undersea gas pipeline from Russia to Germany and the Germans never even let out a peep in protest!
Shafagh
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The world is returning to a multipolar configuration, with the two superpowers: China and the U.S. going head to head.
That puts us at a significantly strategic space. We are at the heart of a new silk road.
Iran is not Iraq, where a decade of destitution will not impact the world. We have a tremendous amount of economic and strategic potential, that both sides would be stupid to not try to take advantage of.
Yes, Japan was helped tremendously by the Americans. But I would not discount the tenacity and pragmatic strategic thinking of the Japanese people, to have achieved that level of success. They are smart and made good decisions. Now, even if they were turn against the west, even if their GDP is cut in half, they would still be an immensely wealthy country.
Shafagh
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I would also like to point out that Iran does not have the luxury to stand up and act like a truly independent regional power, not after decades of serious blunders that limited economic growth, and brought us to pariah status. I know you disagree, but we have a saying here: you made your bed, now you must sleep in it
Mero
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Hopefully China gets the memo and does not join Leader Team Russia as the Arabs and Iranians did and go nowhere.
Shafagh
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Russia treats us the way they do because we let them. I.R. was never seriously building close ties to Russia until Raeesi. I don't think Russians take us seriously either so they dont make an effort. Russian Chinese relations are different.
