Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[RescueRanger]

Society is an association of individuals. But it is not a mere assemblage of individuals. It is like an organic whole. In an organic body, the part and the whole cannot remain separate from one another. The individual and society cannot remain separate from one another. Individuals and society act and react upon each other. A society is strong only if its individuals are strong, and the individuals are weakened if the society declines. While it is essential that one has to develop his individual ego, he has also to create in himself a social awareness. Man is a social animal. A proper relation between individual and society has to be established for the fruitful achievement of both. 4 To develop personality is not to cut one’s relation with social affairs. Rather it is the duty of an individual to enrich the society by the wealth of his thoughts and actions otherwise his individual existence is worthless and meaningless. To Iqbal, an individual should not even refrain from any sacrifice if the society gains something from it. A Muslim is not a true Muslim apart from the Islamic Society. In Islam there is no gap between the spiritual and social order.5

https://www.muslimsocieties.org/Vol6/Social_Philosophy_of_Allama_Muhammad_Iqbal.pdf

Yeah thats great but not relevant right now to this thread. I will save the link to read at a later time today.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Yeah thats great but not relevant right now to this thread. I will save the link to read at a later time today.

It's very relevant, because if people had understood this message and not imbibed themselves to be fooled by greed, Palestine and the Arab world wouldn't be in this predicament. It is still not too late. Messages of visionaries holds true over time.

 

[RescueRanger]

It's very relevant, because if people had understood this message and not imbibed themselves to be fooled by greed, Palestine and the Arab world wouldn't be in this predicament. It is still not too late. Messages of visionaries holds true over time.

My dear brother - Iqbal's teachings are hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand Farsi and the deeper meaning of Iqbals philosophy.

I once showed a translation of Shikwa to an Arabic friend and he labelled Iqbal a heretic.

 

[Shags101]

Not bad at all. If Israel withdraws from Gaza and is forced to end the relentless war on Gaza.

Hamas is not going to exhaust any more effort for crooks and frauds. It will pass off this responsibility to the Ummah to deal with the right wing facist government and state of Israel.

You guys wanted Hamas and Gaza out and sidelined. That's what you get now. Now they're going to move their attention onto Syria + Lebanon + maybe even more than that.

Hamas has been called all kinds of things by both AoR base and Saudi led base. Hamas has been gaslighted by them for two straight years. This is what you wanted so now it's your responsibility.

Which is the better for greater good of Ummah. If we in Gaza are kafirs and whatever else Ummah called us. Then they in the Ummah with the big reach, money, weapons and influence will take on this responsibility as they demanded.

Again let’s be honest we can perhaps say things regarding certain countries but other countries and people stepped up to the and they fought ferociously with limited resources or fighting against overwhelming odds.
Now do I want Hamas sidelined and let’s start focusing on Palestine yes I do for good or worse Hamas and other groups have brought back Palestine to forefront where it was almost forgotten the good it has brought the worlds people on the side of good(Palestine) and we can debate on Hamas whichever way you want and the side of evil(zionists) and again we can debate on the average Israeli Jew

 

[Shags101]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-gaza-deal.html

So if this article is even basically 92% right it shows trump is basically done with rolling over for Israel and needs a lifeline for republicans in the upcoming election he sees this war hasn’t gotten him jack but headaches no one is giving him a pat on the back and he is a man who wants that he needs the praise

 

[RescueRanger]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-gaza-deal.html

So if this article is even basically 92% right it shows trump is basically done with rolling over for Israel and needs a lifeline for republicans in the upcoming election he sees this war hasn’t gotten him jack but headaches no one is giving him a pat on the back and he is a man who wants that he needs the praise

Just finished reading it.

This part was interesting:

“I said, ‘Bibi, this is your chance for victory,’” Mr. Trump related, referring to Mr. Netanyahu by his nickname. “He was fine with it,” Mr. Trump continued, adding, “He’s got to be fine with it. He has no choice. With me, you got to be fine.”

 

[Khansaheeb]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/05/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-gaza-deal.html

So if this article is even basically 92% right it shows trump is basically done with rolling over for Israel and needs a lifeline for republicans in the upcoming election he sees this war hasn’t gotten him jack but headaches no one is giving him a pat on the back and he is a man who wants that he needs the praise

Trump is a tool for the Zions , if they need him they will give him the Presidency, if they don't they will find someone else. They used the Nationalist right wing trope to rope in the white masses who are grasping for their vanishing privilege. Zions want Palestine and Trump wants protection from the line of Paedophage charges against him that have been paused unless he deviates from their control. That's why Netanyahu walks so smug into Congress.

 

[Shags101]

Just finished reading it.

This part was interesting:

“I said, ‘Bibi, this is your chance for victory,’” Mr. Trump related, referring to Mr. Netanyahu by his nickname. “He was fine with it,” Mr. Trump continued, adding, “He’s got to be fine with it. He has no choice. With me, you got to be fine.”

I like the part where he threw the phone into his lap and told him to say your sorry I’m guessing he thought his meeting was going to go differently

 

[Shags101]

Trump is a tool for the Zions , if they need him they will give him the Presidency, if they don't they will find someone else. They used the Nationalist right wing trope to rope in the white masses who are grasping for their vanishing privilege. Zions want Palestine and Trump wants protection from the line of Paedophage charges against him that have been paused unless he deviates from their control. That's why Netanyahu walks so smug into Congress.

I don’t like trump he is a tool but if he’s in the right hands and you stroke his ego it works in your favor Bibi is going to say something bad about him soon and that’s all he needs to go off.
Israel has way to much control over Americas government even trump admitted it but trump has 3 years and love him or hate him the guy is crazy AF he can basically do whatever he wants without any consequences

 

[Falcon29]

Again let’s be honest we can perhaps say things regarding certain countries but other countries and people stepped up to the and they fought ferociously with limited resources or fighting against overwhelming odds.
Now do I want Hamas sidelined and let’s start focusing on Palestine yes I do for good or worse Hamas and other groups have brought back Palestine to forefront where it was almost forgotten the good it has brought the worlds people on the side of good(Palestine) and we can debate on Hamas whichever way you want and the side of evil(zionists) and again we can debate on the average Israeli Jew

Nobody did anything or wanted to do anything. Besides people of Yemen. They were only ones on same page of Hamas seeing this as as a existential war meant to secure Arab and Islamic interests. The rest didn't and tried to get away with bare minimum and had war forced on them, or where parties/nations secretly backing Israel behind closed doors.

I don't want Hamas sidelined. Hamas is the best party for Palestinians but they will do what's in interest of Palestinian people.

Seeing the reaction towards Gaza Holocaust and indifference, Hamas bringing Palestine back to table won't matter because Muslims won't capitalize on it.

Now what we need to do is preserve what's remaining of our land and get out of all politics entirely. Cut off ties with everybody, Arabs, Turk scammers, AoR which is using us as meat shield to keep war away from their turf , everybody.

If some day these people start caring about their region and wellbeing of people , then we'll welcome that. Right now we need to focus on our well-being.

Especially those of us in Gaza or have family in Gaza , 100+ people living in one home and others scattered in tents. And losing 30-50% of entire families.

I'm all for Jihad against the Jews but seems like lots of Muslims don't believe in that or don't want to do that. They're far unlike Sahaba or Ahyul Albayt. Which is fine, but they not stop talking a big game and comparing themselves to their masters.

It was only Hamas and Ansarallah this entire time believing in Jihad for Islam and against Jewish spawns of Satan. This is the truth. I don't know what is going on with rest of Muslims. Someone is brainwashing them away from Islam.

 

[Falcon29]

Istibdaal happening before our eyes. Christians waking up to reality of Jews and Christians converts to Islam will help bring victory to Islam and defeat the Jews in the end times. There's literature supporting this.

While Muslims and Middle Easterners start normalizing with Jews and becoming subservient to them.

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[Shags101]

Nobody did anything or wanted to do anything. Besides people of Yemen. They were only ones on same page of Hamas seeing this as as a existential war meant to secure Arab and Islamic interests. The rest didn't and tried to get away with bare minimum and had war forced on them, or where parties/nations secretly backing Israel behind closed doors.

I don't want Hamas sidelined. Hamas is the best party for Palestinians but they will do what's in interest of Palestinian people.

Seeing the reaction towards Gaza Holocaust and indifference, Hamas bringing Palestine back to table won't matter because Muslims won't capitalize on it.

Now what we need to do is preserve what's remaining of our land and get out of all politics entirely. Cut off ties with everybody, Arabs, Turk scammers, AoR which is using us as meat shield to keep war away from their turf , everybody.

If some day these people start caring about their region and wellbeing of people , then we'll welcome that. Right now we need to focus on our well-being.

Especially those of us in Gaza or have family in Gaza , 100+ people living in one home and others scattered in tents. And losing 30-50% of entire families.

I'm all for Jihad against the Jews but seems like lots of Muslims don't believe in that or don't want to do that. They're far unlike Sahaba or Ahyul Albayt. Which is fine, but they not stop talking a big game and comparing themselves to their masters.

It was only Hamas and Ansarallah this entire time believing in Jihad for Islam and against Jewish spawns of Satan. This is the truth. I don't know what is going on with rest of Muslims. Someone is brainwashing them away from Islam.

Even if you think it was bare minimum said people and countries lost many people while other countries for two years played lip service Hezbollah wasn’t going to overrun Israel’s borders Iran has limited resources to attack Israel basically missiles and drones which if countries didn’t counter many more would struck Israel let’s give a hand to Jordan and the gcc nations that we suspect helped refuel planes and most likely used their aircraft to attack drones okay let’s move on

 

[Watandar]

Yeha. I heard within the Pakistani establishment they are super mad on this crazy general the one who agreed on 20 points of Trump and Netanyahu

Are you saying rest of brass is not happy with Munira ?

 

[Falcon29]

Even if you think it was bare minimum said people and countries lost many people while other countries for two years played lip service Hezbollah wasn’t going to overrun Israel’s borders Iran has limited resources to attack Israel basically missiles and drones which if countries didn’t counter many more would struck Israel let’s give a hand to Jordan and the gcc nations that we suspect helped refuel planes and mostly used their aircraft to attack drones okay let’s move on

You keep saying Hezbollah despite me talking about the entire Muslim world. I get you're a Hezbollah fanboy but that doesn't change how stupid their approach to the war was. They were doing what they saw as bare minimum they could get away with without getting into war with Israel. And they actually believed that would have worked. It's Israel that surprised them and waged a surprise war on them which Israel was announcing ahead of time and we on the forum kept warning them to pre-empt Israel.

They're part of the Resistance axis. They have to play their role its not their choice. Their role as a Islamic Resistance movement was to draw an Israeli ground invasion into Lebanon after Israel began their invasion into Gaza. To disrupt the Gaza ground invasion and complicate its efforts.

Either way they were going to be attacked and sacrifices are required in war. You can't avoid them. Even Israeli's knew they had to make sacrifices and made them but you want to excuse fatal errors and decision making for resistance axis.

If you are not up to such a responsibility and fear it's beyond your burden, you make it known beforehand and tell Hamas we can't enforce this red line equation for Jerusalem and tell Hamas explicitly it would be on its own. You don't go say Jerusalem = Regional war. Which is what Nasrallah and Axis leaders were saying. It became clear they were saying it as a deterrent. And not to actually enforce it.

Hamas was taking it literally and tried enforcing it while others were not on same page.

This is why Hamas needs to sever ties with AoR because I don't want Hamas to get mislead again. They can thank AoR for everything and also let them know they're going on a political maturizaiton process and have to move on.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

That is not the point of this post