How are Chinese state owned entities so massively efficient. They have entirely state owned defence industry and is probably the most efficient and massive in capacities.
That's exactly what I wanted to know. But now before that, Please clarify that you and Quwa are two different Bilal ... for the sake of my sanity lolz.
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China's state-owned enterprises (SOE) are basically managed by experts of industry, not generals or random CPC members. So, the heads of AVIC, NORINCO, CETC, etc., all need to meet certain KPIs in the way of profit, cost reductions, project delivery, etc., to get bonuses and other benefits. None of that is a given. If they don't perform, they get fired.
How much Pakistan's private sector prospects got compromised by various control regimes of US and allies to prevent Pakistan from developing defense industrial capabilities by clamping down on our ability to import required hardware to build factories to take a product from prototype to mass production. Recently, US hindered Pakistan's missile program. Couple of years ago, India off-load a dual-purpose machine preventing it from reaching Pakistan under the same pretext. I think Pakistan-China need to establish railways link to prevent any such eventuality. KKH has limitations in terms of length of vehicles and weight both. Chinese have build world's heighest railway tracks in its own mountainous region in Tibet and other places. Secondly, I want to know, does out private sector has requried talent-pool in terms in engineers, scientists, technicians etc? We never invested in our R&D knowledge base. HEC has always declining budget and whatever is available is spent on sending students abroad. No development of new labs at own public sector universities. In this backdrop, will it not be wise to follow and implement Chinese defense industrial model where despite everything being state control, the pace is just exponential.
It like every other thing in Pakistan is a governance problem. Either model can work (or not) depending on the governance.
US controls are a hindering factor, but when we do things right on our end, we get through them. For ex., the US clamped down hard on the nuclear fuel cycle when we began our nuclear program, but both well-run SOEs (i.e., PAEC) and private sector companies (e.g., DESCON) overcame them through indigenous development. The messed up thing was that even back then we had babu bureaucrats trying to get into both of these entities to scuttle them for no reason except for personal issues and grudges. It's this stupid stuff that weighs us down the most.
I think export is the keyword here in the context of this discussion else even if we have very viberant private sector it would eventually suffer from not getting orders. GE shutdown the production of F-404 series and when suddenly India placed massive order they are still struggling to restart the production in full swing due to various supply chain issues hence productio rate is very low per month. Our defense budget is very small considering against even India, how much local orders can be. Let's say a private entity with the help of multiple industrial partner in private sector complete the order of 5000 small armed drone in a year for own forces, then what? If there is no export order...things will be v tough. A more contemporary example is JF-17 project which survived this long because of its limited export success. Still, order from Azerbaijan kept the produciton running and allowed PAF to do more marketing. Though, I am certain, after May 2025 conflict, PAF will exceedingly luck to get any more order where we make J-10CE an allout star with such reputation that even BlockIIIs vanished somewhere in the background. But that's another stroy for another time. Right now, exports of JF-17 are critical to keep PFX alive and we do need our own homegrown (80-90% indeginous airframe) fighter to be able to fight protracted wars. Imported weapons can't win you wars they bearly able you to defend against overwhelmingly larger enemy with ever blooming defense budget. Now when we talk about own systems, export oriented defense industry, I see there are key fundamentals which needs to be fixed. Expensive electricity, rampant corruption in public utility offices, Predatory FBR culture which often first try to scare investors then demands bribes, lack of accountability etc. These culture ills are key contributor in discourging any new investment in this resouce intensive sector.
There are no 'knock knock' jokes being told in those state owned enterprises. That has to be the reason.
We’ve all been super duper busy- o think there’s a new video out this week but I’m not in it, absolutely up to the neck with work during the daytimes.
True to a certain extent.... you can't underestimate the cultural traits , work ethics in general and nationalistic motivations of the Chinese.... south Asians are lacking in all of them.
