Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

side-winder said:
The Naval front is surely going to be hot, next time.
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I don’t think they’re gonna use navy unless they are ready for a full scale war. If they want a full scale war that means they wouldn’t use their usual rhetoric of targetting “terrorists”.
 
TF8 said:
I don’t think they’re gonna use navy unless they are ready for a full scale war. If they want a full scale war that means they wouldn’t use their usual rhetoric of targetting “terrorists”.
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They can claim "terrorists" to be present anywhere.
 
Editorial: Frequent threats and wild assertions made by Indian officials directed at Pakistan only ensure that the doors of dialogue will remain closed for the foreseeable future, and a climate of toxicity will continue to dominate South Asia.

After the Pahalgam episode, the BJP-led government has gone into overdrive to demonise Pakistan, aided by hawkish elements in the Indian media. Perhaps its performance on the battlefield — or lack thereof — during the May skirmishes and the global community’s unwillingness to buy New Delhi’s anti-Pakistan narrative have, along with Islamabad’s diplomatic successes, been a major reason for India’s frustration.

Read full editorial here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1946910
 
Indian planners assumed Pakistan’s domestic unrest, geopolitical isolation, and weak economy would be sufficient to overpower it and seize territory. That calculation has backfired. Pakistan responded forcefully militarily and diplomatically broadening its alliances. It also averted default, and there is now concern in India that Pakistan is moving ahead with CPEC 2.0 and SPEC while scaling mineral exports worth trillions of dollars, strengthening its economy and positioning itself as a major player. If there is a next round, it would likely be an act of desperation, potentially aimed at disrupting Pakistan’s maritime supply lines and other supply lines with the aim of weakening economic infrastructure.
 
niubi said:
Pakistan has no ability to truly repel a devoted, full scale Indian assault. How could it at the relative size of these two nations? Pakistan could counter skirmishes and come out on top because they are limited in nature and do not test the depth of military supplies of which India obviously has many times more.

To discourage India doing any large scale war, Pakistan has nuclear deterrence. It needs to communicate its willingness to go nuclear to India. Failing this deterrence, it will be eventually overrun by India and China is not one to put boots on ground for any other nation. Thinking there will be China threatening India from the east in case of Indian misadventure is not a sure bet at all. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by China in fighting a full scale conventional war to discourage India invading Pakistan.

If anything is expected from India, Pakistan needs to built magazine depth as much as it can. India is a nobody when it comes to military industry production rates but it is still going to outproduce Pakistan several times over.
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it does not work that way.

Pak. cant win, without incurring heavy significant losses (assumption) but it can also ensure Indian losses exceed more than Pak.!
(in a short term war)

in a long term war, both wont exist!
 
arsalan345 said:
conditions are now similiar to 1947. India is preparing for an all out war with objective of territorial gain which means invasion. They realized pak will not use nuclear weapons. May conflict was just a test. India failed and realized that pak with the help of china can defeat india again and again. territorial losses to pak means india will get it's pride back and hence the ultimate objective of annexing our kashmir.

Afghan fm wasn't in india for fun. It will be two front. if pak manages to push india back to international border then taliban led afghans will invade from the other side, occupy large parts of kpk, thus a territorial loss and humiliation for pak armed forces.

My theory of winter war is real. everything freezes so no chinese help. best time for invasion. Prepare for an all out war. visit China. Ask China if they can send their army. We need boots on the ground. PAF could be bombed. anything can happen. Next few months are crucial.

Don't trust United States. They might provide intelligence but they will not come for our help this time. I keep saying that they want to invade. It now looks more likely.

We need saudi type of pact with chinese but unfortunately chinese doesn't need any pact etc. They are already strong. Please can someone tell me where to go if india attacks karachi? are there any bomb shelters in karachi?
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We need a pact with Turkiye. Remember they sent a warship in May and supplied us with drones.
 
arsalan345 said:
conditions are now similiar to 1947. India is preparing for an all out war with objective of territorial gain which means invasion. They realized pak will not use nuclear weapons. May conflict was just a test. India failed and realized that pak with the help of china can defeat india again and again. territorial losses to pak means india will get it's pride back and hence the ultimate objective of annexing our kashmir.

Afghan fm wasn't in india for fun. It will be two front. if pak manages to push india back to international border then taliban led afghans will invade from the other side, occupy large parts of kpk, thus a territorial loss and humiliation for pak armed forces.

My theory of winter war is real. everything freezes so no chinese help. best time for invasion. Prepare for an all out war. visit China. Ask China if they can send their army. We need boots on the ground. PAF could be bombed. anything can happen. Next few months are crucial.

Don't trust United States. They might provide intelligence but they will not come for our help this time. I keep saying that they want to invade. It now looks more likely.

We need saudi type of pact with chinese but unfortunately chinese doesn't need any pact etc. They are already strong. Please can someone tell me where to go if india attacks karachi? are there any bomb shelters in karachi?
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If true then Pakistan needs to ge ready to nuke kabul and other key afghan cities.
 
falcon34 said:
@Panzerkiel empty threats?
Or things are actually hot
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What i can tell u for sure is - so far no unusual build up on IAF bases in Western Air Command.

Prior to Sindoor there was alot of noise and activities involving re-positioning of assets and manpower - and such activities are always there before any 'real plan'.
 
side-winder said:
What i can tell u for sure is - so far no unusual build up on IAF bases in Western Air Command.

Prior to Sindoor there was alot of noise and activities involving re-positioning of assets and manpower - and such activities are always there before any 'real plan'.
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Well they got their asses handed over to u guys the last time they used western Air command, do you think they will be operating from western airbases, knowing very well they'll be in PL 15 range.
 
Cesur said:
Indian planners assumed Pakistan’s domestic unrest, geopolitical isolation, and weak economy would be sufficient to overpower it and seize territory. That calculation has backfired. Pakistan responded forcefully militarily and diplomatically broadening its alliances. It also averted default, and there is now concern in India that Pakistan is moving ahead with CPEC 2.0 and SPEC while scaling mineral exports worth trillions of dollars, strengthening its economy and positioning itself as a major player. If there is a next round, it would likely be an act of desperation, potentially aimed at disrupting Pakistan’s maritime supply lines and other supply lines with the aim of weakening economic infrastructure.
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Looks like the Indian navy is itching for action
 
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