Iranian Chill Thread

[Mehdipersian]

Capitalism is not meant to lead to government sponsored healthcare. True capitalism is supposed to be lean government not what America is today. Ironically most of the problems of America are tied to entitlement programs (Medicare, medicaid, social security) and lavish military spending. These two groups make up most of the US budget.

So entitlement programs are slowing draining and killing the Empire.



China has its own major problem. It’s population is set to go from 1.3B to 500M by 2100. It is set to lose 300M by 2040-2050. Negative birth rates.




We have heard this talk before. No one knows the when or outcome of irrational fiscal spending. However, you can be assured if US collapses most fiat will collapse alongside it as US underpins the global financial system and is considered the reserve currency of the world.

Collapse of the dollar will create a global contagion as fear and panic cause civilians to dump fiat currencies in their respective countries for gold or anything that they deem more stable.



Until Obama era, Iran was selling oil to everyone including EU. Even US oil companies had dealings with Iran in the 90’s. The most draconian sanctions was the oil sanctions and that sent iran into a hyperinflation spiral. That has been only the last 10-15 years, not 45 years.

We commend Iran on its sanctions busting capabilities. However, Russia has also been able to adept these same capabilities in a little under 2 years.



I see no adancmeent in oil industry or natural gas industry or liquidified natural gas technologies. Those industries needs $100B+ of reinvestment that Iran doesn’t have.




Losing faith started in the 90’s and started picking up in 2010 and recently with Mahsa protests.

The country is divided, much like US. Wether those against the current government are right or wrong is a different topic altogether and not the basis of conversation.



There is $1T+ USD of oil underground that will (given time) become more obsolete with newer technologies.

You would let such crucial funds go to waste because of such a viewpoint?

Where do you think Saudi Arabia is getting the funds for all these ambitious projects aimed at building an economy one day that is free from oil revenues.



Sell it for gold. Sell it for Yuan. Sell it for anything you want.

Your thought process is a bit irrational to say the least.



And that resource will by 2100 be less in demand then today and that means the price you can sell it will continue to fall as supplies build up from all of the remaining oil producers desperate to get their inventory sold.

Oil will not be black gold forever. With fusion technology, future electric energy, nuclear energy, wind energy, solar energy, and other breakthroughs oil will become a thing of the past as its affects on Earth is well documented.

Sell it before it is a useless cheap good.

Remember there was a time in human history where Table Salt was very expensive and considered a luxury for the rich.

Oil is like gold and will always have its value because the amount of oil in the world is limited and it is used in many cases (energy is only one part of it).

Petroleum - Wikipedia

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[muhammed45]

Oil is like gold and will always have its value because the amount of oil in the world is limited and it is used in many cases (energy is only one part of it).

Petroleum - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Oil is an smelly useless thing that has no benefit to us.

Don't you find this logic similar to someone's logic? Thank God our enemies have assumed us bunch of clueless idiots. Lol

 

[jauk]

That was true pre-MBS. But now Saudis are divesting from oil and moving into many different facets.

without MBS, Saudi Arabia was poised for irrelevancy and economic obsoletion. It’s true they rely on USA for support. That will likely always be the case. Saudi Arabia has no desire to become some hegemonic power and escape the USA security umbrella. Where as Turkey and Iran want to be their own respective decision making powers.

Iran hardly has a self sufficent economy. Toman has gone from $1 USD per 1200 to $1 USD per 57,000 from 2010 to 2024. That cannot be blamed on sanctions alone as the Obama era sanctions caused toman to depreciate 3-4x, NOT 40x+

Iran is top 5 producers of natural gas, but not even a top 15 exporter! Most of natural gas is consumed by its own energy intensive population.

NO LNG capability and still flaring gas off due to antiquated equipment, costing billions of dollars in missed revenue. Still unable to get its share of Pars gas field as Qatar continues to deplete the field faster than Iran can lay down equipment.

It has a worry water crisis and climate change is forcing iran to rely greater amounts on international trade for its wheat/rice/and food.

Oil production has yet to reach 1970’s peaks despite having top 5 oil reserves in the world.


While Iran’s evasion of sanctions is commendable, there is much work to be done. Calling Iran a self sufficent economy implies great economic conditions. We all know that economic conditions in Iran are the worst in nearly half a century.

Iranian advancement can happen despite this, but just because there is advancement does not mean there is not major structural problems. That is important to point out

Saudi economy relative to Iran is in excellent shape. However, it’s oil based and they can’t even build a soda can. So it doesn’t matter.

Here is where comparisons of economies fail. One is industrial and self-sufficient and the other is not. Mixing these together leaves Iran as far superior en total albeit far more pressured in pure fiscal terms.

Focusing on fiscal terms there is no doubt Iran stuffer from severe corruption and a class separation. Both terribly damaging. Also since many industries are controlled either directly or indirectly by the government they are at best bottlenecked and growth is retarded.

I’m no fan of market driven ‘free’ economies (they don’t exist) but tif I could cherry pick some positive concepts I’d severely reduced government interference and reallocate government resources to incubation as king as there’s heavy regulation left in place.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Saudi economy relative to Iran is in excellent shape. However, it’s oil based and they can’t even build a soda can. So it doesn’t matter.

Here is where comparisons of economies fail. One is industrial and self-sufficient and the other is not. Mixing these together leaves Iran as far superior en total albeit far more pressured in pure fiscal terms.

Do you think methods or outcome matters? Do you think average Iranian or Saudi (or anyone) would sacrifice quality of life / poverty for better domestic soda can building capacity?

 

[jauk]

Do you think methods or outcome matters? Do you think average Iranian or Saudi (or anyone) would sacrifice quality of life / poverty for better domestic soda can building capacity?

Nope. Societies are selfish and suck. They don’t behave to the benefit of the whole country or the benefit of the future.

Of course they would prefer a current comfort at the expense of future security and comfort.

 

[tsunset]

It's still astonishing how Ghalibaf isn't yet to be executed in public after all the gathered proofs of sacking and stealing public treasury

 

[the saint]

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[Cancerous Tumor]

فهرست «صدای ملت» در تهران رونمایی شد

تهران ـ ایرنا ـ فهرست ۳۰ نفره «صدای ملت» در انتخابات دوزادهمین دوره مجلس شورای اسلامی از حوزه انتخابیه تهران به سرلیستی «علی مطهری» رونمایی شد.

www.irna.ir

Only 1 out of 30 from list of opposition in Tehran is having economic background. just read few pages about Mr Omidvar's(only economist) ideas I must say Mr Hayek should be turning in his grave ...

A little bit down in the list there is another interesting name(not the person but the position he holds right now ). I think economists have a thing or two to say about these ppl.

 

[Hack-Hook]

فهرست «صدای ملت» در تهران رونمایی شد

تهران ـ ایرنا ـ فهرست ۳۰ نفره «صدای ملت» در انتخابات دوزادهمین دوره مجلس شورای اسلامی از حوزه انتخابیه تهران به سرلیستی «علی مطهری» رونمایی شد.

www.irna.ir

Only 1 out of 30 from list of opposition in Tehran is having economic background. just read few pages about Mr Omidvar's(only economist) ideas I must say Mr Hayek should be turning in his grave ...

A little bit down in the list there is another interesting name(not the person but the position he holds right now ). I think economists have a thing or two to say about these ppl.

the ones who had were not recognized as eligible for participating in election . what you expected the result would be

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

the ones who had were not recognized as eligible for participating in election . what you expected the result would be

Mr Motaharry and .... could target more interest points of people and be a little bit more creative about it.

I expect them to win this election but they are shooting themself in the knee.

 

[muhammed45]

the ones who had were not recognized as eligible for participating in election . what you expected the result would be

Multi billionaires from both sides were barred. Including many of senior fundamentalists.

The bastards that only filled their pockets are disqualified for the first time ever since death of their God Father Rafsanjani.

 

[jauk]

فهرست «صدای ملت» در تهران رونمایی شد

تهران ـ ایرنا ـ فهرست ۳۰ نفره «صدای ملت» در انتخابات دوزادهمین دوره مجلس شورای اسلامی از حوزه انتخابیه تهران به سرلیستی «علی مطهری» رونمایی شد.

www.irna.ir

Only 1 out of 30 from list of opposition in Tehran is having economic background. just read few pages about Mr Omidvar's(only economist) ideas I must say Mr Hayek should be turning in his grave ...

A little bit down in the list there is another interesting name(not the person but the position he holds right now ). I think economists have a thing or two to say about these ppl.

‘Mr Hayek’s’ grave movements are irrelevant. Best stay in grave.

 

[Mehdipersian]

I don't want to be part of genocide

A US Air Force officer set himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC.

While burning in the fire, he said that I don't want to be a part of Israel's genocide.

 

[jauk]

Oil is like gold and will always have its value because the amount of oil in the world is limited and it is used in many cases (energy is only one part of it).

Petroleum - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Unfortunately oil, which has been Iran’s bain, is mostly used for export. Digging ditches and export. We have been ditch diggers for a century. Until we use oil as an added value product we will remain lowly ditch diggers.

Hopefully Iran’s path to super industrialization, which is fortunately unfolding, will eventually move us away from digging ditches.

 

[Zarathustra]

I don't want to be part of genocide
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A US Air Force officer set himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC.
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While burning in the fire, he said that I don't want to be a part of Israel's genocide.

He died.