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[Ak01]

Arent you the one who was pitching Ds as having the longest BVR kill record by shooting some... drone.

is that false?

 

[Ak01]

Well guys...Thats it for the AIM120D saga. Taimoor has made his analysis, the PAF and also ALL of nato are wrong.

 

[Taimoor]

is that false?

Under the context of shooting a 4.5 gen actual aircraft as oppose to a drone, I wont be pitching Ds against PL15s.

 

[Taimoor]

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Well guys...Thats it for the AIM120D saga. Taimoor has made his analysis, the PAF and also ALL of nato are wrong.

well smarty pants, yanks are developing their next gen A2A missiles in response to PL15, what does it say about the Aim120 series including your Ds.

 

[Ak01]

Under the context of shooting a 4.5 gen actual aircraft as oppose to a drone, I wont be pitching Ds against PL15s.

can you actually construct a coherent argument as to why a 20 foot, nearly supersonic, 9g manuvering drone is not a capable target?

 

[Ak01]

well smarty pants, yanks are developing their next gen A2A missiles in response to PL15, what does it say about the Aim120 series including your Ds.

great argument.

Why did the US develop the f22 when the F15/16's wiped the floor with anything Russia or China could come up with...?

 

[FuturePAF]

I couldn’t tell you either way - the MLUs PAF has are its own airframes so if it needs to pick up airframes it needs to look at existing usage, potential for Falcon UP or similar airframe refurbishment and then overall costs.
New builds may actually end up cheaper in such cases.

New builds are probably the best option, especially now they can stay in service for 12-15,000 hours.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2017/September%202017/0917_Tirpak_SLEP.pdf

 

[Taimoor]

can you actually construct a coherent argument as to why a 20 foot, nearly supersonic, 9g manuvering drone is not a capable target?

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You were rubbishing that 190km kill by PL15 not in distant past. Do I need to add anything to that?

 

[Taimoor]

great argument.

Why did the US develop the f22 when the F15/16's wiped the floor with anything Russia or China could come up with...?

Indeed it is, you just didn't understand

 

[Yasser76]

Getting C8s and V F-16s will be good in the fact we are giving enemies two combos to worry about (J-10/PL-15 and F-16V/C8)

If Saudis are paying all the better issue now is PAF is effectively creating a two tier air defence system.

Erieye/F-16 and KJ-5000/J-10/J35

Obviously our entire network is getting geared up for a J-10/JF-17/J-35 set up in terms of it's entire ecosystem and how it operates (DatalInks, SAMS, AEW, Cyber, etc).

F-16Vs and C8 are very very good, but they will essentially operate outside our current ecosystem with just Erieyes and TPS-77s they can "talk" to.

Essentially we could be getting great air defence gear that may cause us more problems then it solves?

 

[Ak01]

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You were rubbishing that 190km kill by PL15 not in distant past. Do I need to add anything to that?

top tier argument mate, will forward this onto the us. Expect to see it being used as an argument in congress for the procurement of PL15s for the US F35 fleet.

yes, because theres literally zero evidence of a kill at 190km lol. none, nada. so yes, rubbish until evidence, in the same way the f16 kills are rubbish until india provides proof.

But putting all that aside, you literally have no basis for anything you said. This VS This is something id expect my pet bird to do better on. Target drones are designed to simulate threats, its why Pakistan has not been able to produce a proper one, despite years of trying lol.

 

[Ak01]

F-16Vs and C8 are very very good, but they will essentially operate outside our current ecosystem with just Erieyes and TPS-77s they can "talk" to.

this isnt true, the PAF uses intermediary stations for all of their assets, none can talk to eachother directly, Erieye talks to GCS, which talks to JF-17, or J-10, etc as it wishes, nothing has a direct link, everything has a 'translation node' in the middle.

Also, in 2019 there was no issues with F-16s and erieyes anyway.

 

[Oscar]

@Oscar wouldn't the recent pak US closeness make china uncomfortable or they r fully on page with pak with regards to our relation with US.

I cannot speak for China but considering the number of visits to China that occurred prior to the thawing of ties with US would suggest that China was both briefed and consulted on steps being taken.

 

[Yasser76]

this isnt true, the PAF uses intermediary stations for all of their assets, none can talk to eachother directly, Erieye talks to GCS, which talks to JF-17, or J-10, etc as it wishes, nothing has a direct link, everything has a 'translation node' in the middle.

Also, in 2019 there was no issues with F-16s and erieyes anyway.

No, I said Erieye and F-16 can talk, NATO do that all the time.

My issue is with say a Chinese radar data linking to the F-16V. "Translation nodes" waste valuable seconds no? Also how does the node get to connect to Link 16 on the F-16?

 

[Taimoor]

top tier argument mate, will forward this onto the us. Expect to see it being used as an argument in congress for the procurement of PL15s for the US F35 fleet.

yes, because theres literally zero evidence of a kill at 190km lol. none, nada. so yes, rubbish until evidence, in the same way the f16 kills are rubbish until india provides proof.

But putting all that aside, you literally have no basis for anything you said. This VS This is something id expect my pet bird to do better on. Target drones are designed to simulate threats, its why Pakistan has not been able to produce a proper one, despite years of trying lol.

I am not making the claim of 190km+ kill of a 4.5 gen fighter by PL15 am I? And who are you? Random nobody?

You have to be retard to believe a drone can mimic a mach 1.8 4.5 gen actual combat jet loaded with top of the line EW.

Dont dig yourself a hole which you may not be able to come out in dignity.