PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Abdul q]

Because we can clearly see chunks of orders being made to china for j-10 left right and centre…. Tonnnss of sales and billions of dollars being made of the last battle between ind and pak…. Are we becoming a testing lab for these weapons as a region!!!! For superpower to show themselves off

 

[Starlord]

I mean if they (US) is releasing the top of line missile then I don't see a issue with another batch of 18ish New F-16s as long as we can pay for it, upgrading the current F-16 fleet will keep PAF in touch with US, I mean lets not kid ourselves, I can bet PAF talk to USAF on regular basis about the techniques and their experience with China, and China wants to learn little bit about USAF and their tactics, Indians can benefit a lot if they are not so full of sh!t and themselves.

I don't think J-35's are coming sooner than 2027ish because first China will fill their requirement and then PAF will be keeping close eye on its performance then might put a order for a PAF specific customized J-35 sq, but I think for until 2030 meaning next 5 years if we can secure 1 more Sq of J-10CE, and 1 full sq of new F-16's with current fleet upgraded then by 2030 we will still be able to handle IAF because they won't be getting anything out of this world in next 5 years either, they mostly will get more Rafale, and Teja bhai but from the looks of it they are investing in S-400 and probably even get 1 battery of S-500 if Russians able to keep up the production.

But given the history of F-16s I will keep my excitement to very low because often times talks fell apart and nothing comes out of it, I would say next few months or by next year meaning end of 2026 will definitely be interesting.

 

[Path-Finder]

The old AIM-120's can be used as SAM's to knock out fluff out of the sky!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

All in all though, increasingly it seems US has decided that Pakistani power in the region should be increased. My feeling, and it is just a feeling, is that US has no real long term ambition to fight China. So India becomes redundant in terms of US strategy, simply an economic partner like say Mexico or Indonesia.

Pakistan becomes a regional policeman that both US and China are comfortable with.

If V upgrades and J-35 come in next 2-3 years, for the first time in history we may be looking at Pakistani airpower surpassing Indian air power.

They love to see a "gladiator" earning his "wooden sword" after killing his toughest opponents in the "arena" with a "take no prisoners" and "fight or die" mindsets. Pak did it while they were watching at the sidelines. Bharat was given the opportunity, but miserably failed. So, no lost love.....

I am pretty sure during the US-China grand bargain Trump will seek for Pakistan's working as a bridge like the way she was in the early 70s.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

We should not underestimate our enemy. They are already doing the “needful”. SU-30s are going through super sukhoi, which will grant them an AESA radar and a longer range missile. Getting 114 Rafales, its only a matter of time they gain superiority in numbers and quality. Tejas MK-2 is also ongoing which will make it equal to JF-17 Block 3 on paper. At this point, the great differentiator would be J-35 but to what degree, cant really say.

Beside this we need to invest heavily in air defence as india procures more and more S-400 batteries.

The more of the Russian systems in Bharat, the better for Pak. It's so easy to overwhelm them for they lag behind in the semiconductor technologies big time. I am pretty sure the Chinese top end ICs in the Russian systems won't be available for the export customers....

 

[Gripen9]

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[Gripen9]

New build V's are likely - the number being eyed is 36(org req) for two sq of high end.
Maybe Back and forth in play regarding future of lowest airframe use MLUs - potentially to be kept or relegated to OCU or second line duties.

There will be a timeframe when PAF fleet will be vulnerable from a no's standpoint as it was during upgrade cycle for MLUs.

Ideally we also should get MRO type maintenance agreement for the older models.

Indus Viper project

 

[Samurai]

So does that mean, in any likely hood of a war with India in future, PAF can use its AIM-120C8s against IAF and USA will be fine while Indians will be crying? Also although many in the Pakistani defence sphere will lobby for more Chinese equipment, but personally I will really like if Pakistan manages to secure an F-16V or Block 70 deal with US and upgrade its older Blocks. Believe it or not but I think PAF pilots have a special love relationship and experience flying the F-16 platform and this might give them a morale boost of having the upgraded versions.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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Hindutva thy name is shameless....

 

[Samurai]

I know its a wild dream but remember when USA and India were getting along, Lockmart had come up with the proposal for F-21 designed specifically for India and its need for "Make in India" project. Imagine if Pakistan was going good and could make such deal as "Make in Pakistan" for F-21 deal.

 

[Yasser76]

We should not underestimate our enemy. They are already doing the “needful”. SU-30s are going through super sukhoi, which will grant them an AESA radar and a longer range missile. Getting 114 Rafales, its only a matter of time they gain superiority in numbers and quality. Tejas MK-2 is also ongoing which will make it equal to JF-17 Block 3 on paper. At this point, the great differentiator would be J-35 but to what degree, cant really say.

Beside this we need to invest heavily in air defence as india procures more and more S-400 batteries.

NBo, no SU-30 upgrade has actually been signed for or even developed yet, let alone started, where are you getting your info from?

Less said about Tejas the better, when (actually if) MK2 gets airborne or even into service, JF-17C will not be cutting edge anymore for PAF, timelines for MK2 Tejas are even way behind KAAN and J-35.

 

[TF8]

But this is expected.

The only lots harping on about NGFA's in 1 year, then 2, then 3, etc are the typical jazbati raja baja types lol

I dont understand how anyone actually thinks its feasible. China has its own HUGE demands to meet, sure, they've got a megafactory blah blah, but i cant imagine them diverting any capacity to export until they've managed to shore up enough for their own. That atleast means a fair bit of time, not to mention all of the teething issues that WILL occur, the PAF will obviously want to see how these pan out and how the project is going, its all so new here, all of it is unproven and naturally they will want to see every aspect of the system prove itself, from the final product, to the supply chain etc.


I think in both cases, F-16s and J-10s will be heavily relied upon for top cover/potshots, with J-35s in day 2 configs for the follow up strikes

Yeah, the Iraqis are retards, i remember, there was a story about their techs leaving spanners in the engines.

Raja baja be like “Mujhay ku torha”

 

[Bilal]

I am not making the claim of 190km+ kill of a 4.5 gen fighter by PL15 am I? And who are you? Random nobody?

You have to be retard to believe a drone can mimic a mach 1.8 4.5 gen actual combat jet loaded with top of the line EW.

Dont dig yourself a hole which you may not be able to come out in dignity.

It’s not about comparison to PL15. PL15 can’t arm F16, we have 75 of those. This will bring upgraded capabilities to that significant portion of our fleet.

 

[SABRE]

It’s not about comparison to PL15. PL15 can’t arm F16, we have 75 of those. This will bring upgraded capabilities to that significant portion of our fleet.

We know not if new F-16s will come but if C8/D3 are equipped on existing aircraft (with necessary upgrades) PAF will not only keep F-16 flying for next 10-15 or more years but will have sufficient room for planning its eventual phasing out rather than to go through premature attrition of F-16 squadrons. However, I suspect not all of the ~75 aircraft would be receiving upgrades and C8/D3 integration.

 

[Yasser76]

We know not if new F-16s will come but if C8/D3 are equipped on existing aircraft (with necessary upgrades) PAF will not only keep F-16 flying for next 10-15 or more years but will have sufficient room for planning its eventual phasing out rather than to go through premature attrition of F-16 squadrons. However, I suspect not all of the ~75 aircraft would be receiving upgrades and C8/D3 integration.

Yes, it will take a few years for us to get our missiles, so you are right, PAF sees F-16 as part of it's core defence for next 10-15 years.

That is interesting in the light of the massive investments we are making in Chinese led ecosystem