Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

We did try during Imran Khan’s time, but our generals lacked patience and were more interested in money. We didn’t give his policy enough time to bear fruit. Believe me, no one understands Pakistani foreign and diplomatic policy better than I do. Our diplomats are often untrained and unreliable if you want to judge their competence and work ethic, visit any Pakistani embassy or the Foreign Office in Pakistan and you’ll see for yourself.

You know why the plan was fall because Asim wanted to be a general of army. He wanted to be accepted by Americans.
All plans with Kabul fail for one fundamental reason.

Kabul does not recognise our sovereignty over our western border.

Kabul's delusional belief system permits Afghans to move freely across the Durand Line, as if both sides of the border belong to Kabul. All subsequent problems stem from this underlying pathological state of mind.

It really is that simple.

A wall must eventually be built. If Kabul does not accept this peacefully, it must be enforced.

Nobody has any God given right to wander over our border (particularly with guns!).
 
So much hot air. No Indian attack will happen, this whole tamasha was for their domestic audience, and even we are falling for it.

Conventionally India and Pakistan now at par. Attack will be failure for them
True. But I guess, safe side I told my friends who are in stock trading to do it wisely or dont till nov.
 
All plans with Kabul fail for one fundamental reason.

Kabul does not recognise our sovereignty over our western border.

Kabul's delusional belief system permits Afghans to move freely across the Durand Line, as if both sides of the border belong to Kabul. All subsequent problems stem from this underlying pathological state of mind.

It really is that simple.

A wall must eventually be built. If Kabul does not accept this peacefully, it must be enforced.

Nobody has any God given right to wander over our border (particularly with guns!).
he is a ik groupie his mind cant comprehend the fact afghanis are not good people . i still remember them celebrating the recent Pakistani floods and taunting Pakistani Pashtun
 
So much hot air. No Indian attack will happen, this whole tamasha was for their domestic audience, and even we are falling for it.

Conventionally India and Pakistan now at par. Attack will be failure for them
tbh that is happened last time too tensions flared down after Pahalgam and then attacks started
 
So much hot air. No Indian attack will happen, this whole tamasha was for their domestic audience, and even we are falling for it.

Conventionally India and Pakistan now at par. Attack will be failure for them
There is a very high probability of a naval missile attack. While a large carrier task force is easily detected by satellites, smaller missile boats or frigates are much harder to detect..
This is precisely what happened in 1971 when small "Osa" and "Komar " class missile boats attacked Karachi with devastating consequences.
In 2025 Pakistan has much better maritime reconnaissance capabilities than in 1971, so an exact repetition of such a disaster is unlikely. However since 1971 India now has submarines with Brahmos type missiles that can be launched from much greater distances. So far the PN has been able to track Indian submarines coming in unescorted, but it is perfectly possible for a submarine to cruise right underneath a giant oli tanker as a cover with the tanker ( false flagged) sailing closer to the Pakistani coast line like the dozens that sail past every day to and flow from the Gulf. Once in position the submarine can easily rise to periscope depth and fire a crippling missile attack aimed at Pakistani coastal defenses. Once this attack is successful surface ships and aircraft carriers would join in including air strike assets from the Gujarat coastline .
The Pakistan Navy has likely war gamed this scenario but it is not clear what solution there is to thwart such an attack . Of course Pakistan would retaliate by attacking targets all along India's west coast but with Karachi crippled the war would be lost as soon as it started.
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
 
There is a very high probability of a naval missile attack. While a large carrier task force is easily detected by satellites, smaller missile boats or frigates are much harder to detect..
This is precisely what happened in 1971 when small "Osa" and "Komar " class missile boats attacked Karachi with devastating consequences.
In 2025 Pakistan has much better maritime reconnaissance capabilities than in 1971, so an exact repetition of such a disaster is unlikely. However since 1971 India now has submarines with Brahmos type missiles that can be launched from much greater distances. So far the PN has been able to track Indian submarines coming in unescorted, but it is perfectly possible for a submarine to cruise right underneath a giant oli tanker as a cover with the tanker ( false flagged) sailing closer to the Pakistani coast line like the dozens that sail past every day to and flow from the Gulf. Once in position the submarine can easily rise to periscope depth and fire a crippling missile attack aimed at Pakistani coastal defenses. Once this attack is successful surface ships and aircraft carriers would join in including air strike assets from the Gujarat coastline .
The Pakistan Navy has likely war gamed this scenario but it is not clear what solution there is to thwart such an attack . Of course Pakistan would retaliate by attacking targets all along India's west coast but with Karachi crippled the war would be lost as soon as it started.
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
that type of operation requires immense effort, logistics and personal means isi will pick the activity up
 
that type of operation requires immense effort, logistics and personal means isi will pick the activity up
and also once they fire the missiles they will be immediately targeted so even if they hit all the targets ( unlikely ) they will be stuck in Pakistani seas and its going to be another rafale like situation but this time you are losing submarines and 100s of sailors
 
This is misconception I would request you to please read the political history of Afghanistan during 60s and 70s it was their own internal political turmoil which took ugly turn, Afghan socialist who had captured the government invited Soviet Union into Afghanistan.

Initially even factions with in Afghan socialist fought with each other then Soviet supported one factions of over the other, then common Afghan and villagers and religious factions initiated the resistance on lower scale. That was the beginning of Afghan Jihad or first civil war.

Pakistan 'actively' enter into it after a year in late 1980 US came in support in think in 1982 or 1983.

Please keep context in mind.

Agree - People forget that the Afghans directly started their own demise as a country by inviting the Soviet Union into their own internal political struggle.

That kicked off a chain of events, that have led to where they are now. What Afghanistan needs is peace, not more geopolitics, to recover. The entry of the USA into Afghanistan will delay the recovery of Afghanistan for sure, as different regional actors will start grinding their axes for "their" people and the people of Afghanistan will be back to where they were when the Soviet Union entered their country. The problem for Afghanistan is they would be starting from a lower base a country this time around.
 
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when my people ( religious fundamentalist ) rebel against my commie government so i invite commie country to commit atrocities so i can remain in power
i got killed by isi( because i was Pashtun nationalist ) and got dragged through the streets of kabul
 
I don't know if your simulated model includes Hindutva mindset/goals as one of the factors triggering a armed conflict between the two countries. The two probabilities 0.56 and 0.23 in the first table would have switched been switched had your model realistically taken into account that factor.
Brother,

With much due respect as a fellow human and Pakistani. This post of yours right here is everything wrong I have witnessed in our society over the years.

Kartey ap loag khud kuch bhi nahi ho, dosray ki kaam aur mehnat mey sey tinki nakalney mey babbar sheer ho.
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