Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Salza]

watch the conference without the love of your messiah khan maybe then will u understand

did he explained any details regarding yesterday operation ? all he was repeating the same rants like his boss probably pissed off more to see Gandanpur being removed.

Anyways bottom line is, this rift in between establishment and Imran Khan should end. It has started hurting Pakistan and blame game already started. We don't want Balochistan type sentiments in KP as well.

 

[Jango]

While DJ ISPR was blabbering about PTI

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Do din baad yehi log dobara besharmo ki tarah janazay par jayen gay, and business as usual. Someone's son, father, brother, again, gone. And the cycle continues.

 

[Salza]

I think the probably will. Laying the ground work by calling the new CM a terrorist and everything...now we are governance issues.

Ya clearly they are going into that direction. Nor Imran Khan coming slow.

 

[RescueRanger]

It’s not (just) a technical problem. The issue is something else.

The other part is the premier agency will not report to anyone else.

Well if we are entering the realms of the "Grey Zone" please consider reading the following book:
Hybrid Warfare: Security and Asymmetric Conflict in International Relations - By Mikael Weissmann

Intelligence agencies due to the nature of their work are ringfenced and operate in their own domain. This is why this is known as the "Grey Zone". Instead of constantly trying to view ISI operations at a micro or macro level - think about the threats to Pakistan if ISI was shackled with political oversight.

 

[I*R*A]

Aap kay is sawal ka jawab, aap nay upar apnay hi comment main day dia hai.

If you're so content with his jail visit, then why put forth this question?

Because he failed to look beyond his own personality, he had a mission fine, but what was his plan to achieve that? sahib ko apnay ilawah koi aur na imandar lagta hy aur na mukhlis, succession planning b koi cheez hoti hy, khud side ho gay ub peechay party yahan say wahan takrain marti phir rai hy.

Jail tou iss ko honi chaiay thi q kay iss ulu kay pathay nay jo fasli batairay jama kiay huay thay aur jiss tareekay pay iss nay street power ko handle kia iss say bara duffer koi nai hy.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Means the air campaign yesterday was face saving by embarrassed Field Marshall. I even doubt the claims of so many airstrikes and this and that eliminated, probably a drone fired on some sheep in Paktia then social media team created this illusion of AWACs F16 blah blah.

or maybe they are still assessing the damage. I think bro is dead honestly as that audio of mehsud saying he is alive is fake.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

brother thats rude. weapon culture was common in northern areas. so posting those pics are not a good one.

Bro, it's only for bit of shughal mela.

 

[Salza]

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Yup Exactly. lol

 

[hasssanali8998]

Balochistan type sentiments in KP as well.

that already happened when khan was removed

 

[Bilal]

Well if we are entering the realms of the "Grey Zone" please consider reading the following book:
Hybrid Warfare: Security and Asymmetric Conflict in International Relations - By Mikael Weissmann

Intelligence agencies due to the nature of their work are ringfenced and operate in their own domain. This is why this is known as the "Grey Zone". Instead of constantly trying to view ISI operations at a micro or macro level - think about the threats to Pakistan if ISI was shackled with political oversight.

No. I was not pointing to (just) that. There are legitimate (like this example) and not so legitimate interests involved.

And my reference to ISI was just in the context of NACTA.

 

[RescueRanger]

@Pakistan Space Agency I have deleted those photos - unnecessary and will de-rail the discussion. Kindly keep on topic everyone. Please.

 

[ghazi52]

India to reopen its embassy in Kabul after 4 years​

Indian FM says India will now upgrade its technical mission in the Afghan capital to an embassy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Really, really hoping this is true, but reports already circulating with alleged audio of Mehsud denying his death:

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Even if he survived, hopefully a good chunk of senior leadership was taken out.

Aur tum is liay operation nhn kar rahay ya Afghani nhn nikal rahay?

Poora mulk Imran Khan hi chala raha hai keh woh jo bolay wohi hota hai?

He's in jail since god knows when and you still can't seem to get over him? Maybe time to release him and actually work through a political process then? But then aap ki jo lottery lagi hui hai woh muk jaye gi.

You tried to run a province on auto-pilot, the chief minister of the province can't move his own IG or secretaries, and then the DG ISPR has the gall today to give a lecture on governance? Come on. Taimoor Jhagra ko hakoomat say bahar rakhnay kay liay inhon nay airi choti ka zor lagaya, aur ab they talk about financial issues in the province?

I mean are you guys so short sighted as if the history of terrorism in this country started with PTI? PTI has been in power since 2013 in KP. Terrorism was almost at it's peak then, and then gradually rescinded. Tab bhi to PTI hi thi...why did terrorism reduce then?

Blaming PTI for where we are right now is just an easy cop out and reductive fallacy.

its a fight of the ego's now to be honest with you.
we rehabilitated them back into Pakistan. my Red commie Pashtun friends protested during Imran rule few years back when the TTP were allowed back in and they started setting up pickets in Sawat. Imran must have disassociated himself with this right there. I dont know why he kept quiet.

no one is blameless here. Imran praising and Imran bashing is now our daily routine.

Imran's incarceration is unjustified and political victimization
and his commandments from the Jail also don't seem to show that he is pulling any punches. the recent appointment of a firebrand racist as a chief minister does give more opportunities to PTI critics.

but this (alleged) airstrike has nothing to do with PTI vs establishment. TTP doesn't think twice if its victims include PTI people or not.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

India to reopen its embassy in Kabul after 4 years​

Indian FM says India will now upgrade its technical mission in the Afghan capital to an embassy.

of course they will. and may offer Akash SAMs as well.

 

[PakAl]

I have seen a lot, but someone sitting at their keyboard and criticizing soldiers who fight in the most difficult terrains.. and giving up their lives, is just .. unfortunate.

My fault I gave you the opportunity to reply back with that irrelevant rant. My apologies, please take one someone else now.

We have absolutely no right to criticise our soldiers, who give their lives for our people and country. People don't understand what war is, at times in wars soldiers run out of bullets but use their bodies to fight enemies but will never let enemies take over their territory. They fight with their souls. But yes we can criticise the policies or tactics, this is what this forum is about, to discuss different ideas and encourage those in charge to make improvements.

The problem with this war is the difficult terrains, we have 1000s of troops but it's not enough, we need millions and we just cannot afford to immobilise that much, instead it's a low level insurgency, hit and run attacks.