Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Khorasan Black Flags]

The Ayatollahs have a tendency to get beaten up by the stick, and never get to eat the carrot.

I remember when I told the fools on PDF that the Ayatollahs had absolutely no choice but to accept the will of the people about hijab, I had to leave the forum because I couldn't believe we had so many fools with zero understanding of Iranian society, and sociology in general, here. What happened? Hijab is now more or less free to the point that women are wearing skirts in some places in Tehran and people still hate the regime, even more than before, because the regime killed teenage girls over hijab.

Instead of respecting people's voice, they decided to resist as much as they could until they were forced to make changes. When you do something because you have lost and you no longer have a choice, you will no longer get rewarded for it. Sometimes it's just too late and the Ayatollahs love to resist change until it's too late.

Just see how much Tehran has changed since Mahsa Amini protests:

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[ShapurII]

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She really knows how to produce good videos.
Her videos are good for promoting Iran.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

She really knows how to produce good videos.
Her videos are good for promoting Iran.

Yeah that's true.

However, I believe empowering Iran’s military and economy is much more important than making every place of Iran luxury and show it to world.

 

[kastor ville]

You still believe mig-29 are in iran

Where is your proof.....if nothing, at least we have a sr member of the govt on record. Again, where is your proof? Post it!

 

[kastor ville]

it seems your first problem is that you think things only went badly on the first and second days of the war

question - when was the replacement commander of the central command HQ killed? when was the head of the IRGC intelligence and his deputy killed? they were not killed in the first and second day of the war. did we manage to kill even one notable military figure in Israel, or just 30 civilians, to be proud of it?


because some people here continue to live in delusion and create their own fantasies where Iran was not humiliated and left with launching 5-10 missiles per day in the latter days of the war so it is important that we embrace reality so it doesn't happen again rather than construct a victory narrative


if they did equal achievements like flying over Tel Aviv and precisely bombing significant military targets multiple times a day and killing the entire IAF military command then I would give equal time or consideration to it. this isn't affirmative action where I must give equal praise to Iran's lesser achievements just because it is the underdog

"blow up Haifa" maybe 4-5 missiles hit Haifa and you think Haifa was blown up ? this shows you are not in touch with reality


yes whenever we lose a war we can always say that it could have been much worse so actually that means we did not lose

You really can't help your negativity......can you? Your hatred for the regime has blinded you....and has compromised your judgement.
Btw, you lose credibility when you post stuff like "maybe 4-5 missiles hit Haifa"
Israel must be pleased they can play you guys so easily.
There are again a dozen videos, some of which you posted yourself that show dozens of missiles going through the Iron Dome....but all of a sudden now, Iran only landed 4 to 5 missiles? Ok, you right! Israel is invincible.
Let's not cry too hard. balanced criticism is welcomed..one sided cry fests are not!
Why didn't Iran use space lasers? Why didn't Iran use a EMP super weapons on Israel?

Let me check.......after 12 days, Israel asked for a ceasefire
Trump refused to get into an all out war.
Regime change failed
China and Russia stepped up to help repair the damage
Iran signs 20 billion dollar nuke deal with Russia
Netanyahu sends message to Iran that they're not looking for anymore hostility.
Trump says his cabinet will work with Iran
Trump gives ultimatum to Netanyahu to accept the peace deal with Hamas
the same deal that has been on the table for the last 12 months, that he refused to sign before
Yeah, who won again? Even a deaf and dumb person would see this for what it is..........

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[Persian Gulf]

You really can't help your negativity......can you? Your hatred for the regime has blinded you....and has compromised your judgement.
Btw, you lose credibility when you post stuff like "maybe 4-5 missiles hit Haifa"
Israel must be pleased they can play you guys so easily.
There are again a dozen videos, some of which you posted yourself that show dozens of missiles going through the Iron Dome....but all of a sudden now, Iran only landed 4 to 5 missiles? Ok, you right! Israel is invincible.

we are talking about Haifa. 3 missiles hit the Bazan oil refinery there and caused significant damage. that was probably Iran's best known hit of the war.

1 missile hit near a government building near the port in Haifa (but unfortunately missed by around 100m)

that takes us to 4. I think one more hit a random residential building in Haifa. if you have evidence of more important hits in Haifa, please present it and I will correct my prior statement

Let me check.......after 12 days, Israel asked for a ceasefire
Trump refused to get into an all out war.
Regime change failed
China and Russia stepped up to help repair the damage
Iran signs 20 billion dollar nuke deal with Russia
Netanyahu sends message to Iran that they're not looking for anymore hostility.
Trump says his cabinet will work with Iran
Trump gives ultimatum to Netanyahu to accept the peace deal with Hamas
the same deal that has been on the table for the last 12 months, that he refused to sign before
Yeah, who won again? Even a deaf and dumb person would see this for what it is..........

they achieved their objectives in less than 2 weeks. no need to go beyond that. their objective was to stop Iran enriching uranium. they achieved it, quite easily, actually. so far there is no sign that Iran is able to resume enriching uranium any time soon, no attempts have been made to access Fordow. until/unless Iran can start to enrich uranium again without getting bombed, then Israel and the US achieved their goals and don't need to do anything.

just because Israel asked for a ceasefire (allegedly), doesn't mean Iran has to accept it. we didn't accept a ceasefire against Saddam in 1982, so why were we so fast to accept a ceasefire this time?

does IRI plan to take revenge for the senior commanders and scientists killed and nuclear facilities destroyed? or we should celebrate that Israel doesn't want to do even more damage for now?

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah that's true.

However, I believe empowering Iran’s military and economy is much more important than making every place of Iran luxury and show it to world.

Yes, but we haven't been doing that either. Not in the last 12 years at least.

 

[Shafagh]

Yes, but we haven't been doing that either. Not in the last 12 years at least.

Come on man.

Fateh 1 and 2
Khaybar Sheikan
Underground missile bases
3rd Khordad, Talaash system, Zoubin, Arman
Shahed 149 Gaza
Shahid Souleymani missile catamaran

Economy though I don't know lol, doesn't look good, just blame sanctions

 

[Eşbah]

Israel has the world behind them, at least the governments. Russia has the world against them, except for a handful of countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Nicaragua, etc.
Not even remotely the same situation.#

Israel does not have the world on its side. This is a distorted view that fails to capture the truth. Israel enjoys the backing of Washington, Rome, London, Paris, and Berlin; however, nearly all other UN member states have repeatedly voted against Israel in the UN. Furthermore, there is considerable political opposition to Netanyahu's Israel even in those countries mentioned above. It was this increasing global pressure that caused the Trump administration to cave in and force Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire deal.

We need to stay grounded in reality, which also entails providing fair assessments without exaggerating or minimizing the situation.

Russia is going pretty easy on Ukraine for several reasons:

This is borderline Russian propaganda. Hundreds of billions of USD are frozen in Western capitals, hundreds of thousands of young soldiers have died or been injured, there is global diplomatic isolation, NATO is expanding, the Caucasus is being lost, oil infrastructure has been damaged throughout Russia to the extent that the country is facing shortages, strategic nuclear bombers have been destroyed by the Urkainians, and hatred is being fostered in all of Europe and neighboring countries of Russia that will persist for generations to come.

Additionally, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent on this war to date, pension funds are being looted, and on top of it all, the reputation of the Russian military has been destroyed.

So no, the Russians are not "going easy on Ukraine".

1. First and foremost, because it wants to rule over the territories it occupies. The moment it nukes Ukraine, it can say goodbye to the people of those occupied regions supporting them. After all, those people have families living in Ukraine. Israel doesn't have this problem with Iran.

I never suggested the use of those bombs in eastern Ukraine, where the population is mainly Russian. Moreover, using weapons of mass destruction carries a political price that nuclear powers fear they might have to bear. Sadly, the loss of human lives doesn't hold as much significance as one might assume. This world is grim, and in the realm of geopolitcs, humanity often takes a back seat.

2. Secondly, Russia has always been looking for validation from the Western world. Putin tried to approach and appease the West hundred times before he finally attacked Ukraine. The moment Russia uses nuclear weapons, it will be cut off from the entirety of Europe. Russians do consider themselves European because of being Slavic centric.

Russia is cut off from Europe and the chances of Türkiye joining the EU is higher than Moscow becoming part of the Union. Yes, they are European by blood but any Western European would choose Japan and South Korea over Russians.

3. Thirdly, nuclear explosion in Ukraine would affect other nearby regions like Belarus, Russia and NATO countries like Poland, Romania, etc. Israel wouldn't have this problem either.

Why are your assumptions always so radical, brother? We are not talking about a second Tsar Bomb but about tactical nuclear weapons that can be used in a limited way.

Russia has been extremely kind to the Ukrainians for those reasons. Israel killed 400-500 Iranians in the last day of war. Had Russia done that in Ukraine, the entire world would've written about it 24/7 for the next 12 months at least.

Russia has suffered damages a million times greater from the war in Ukraine than the total impact of all Iranian missiles launched at Israel to date.

Your belief that any assault on Israel should be restrained due to their nuclear arsenal, which you lack, has been disproven by the actual events of the Ukrainian conflict. It is is simply not truth. As deranged as Netanyahu might be, he cannot and he will not use WMD against Iran. This fear has no grounds in reality. The Americans and Europeans would never allow the Israelis to cross this line because it would open the gates of hell for them and despite the major Jewish lobby in Western capitals, there are lines that can not be crossed - not even for Jews.

 

[Sarhang]

Come on man.

Fateh 1 and 2
Khaybar Sheikan
Underground missile bases
3rd Khordad, Talaash system, Zoubin, Arman
Shahed 149 Gaza
Shahid Souleymani missile catamaran

Economy though I don't know lol, doesn't look good, just blame sanctions

Why stop at just listing names? Why not actually analyze how those systems performed? Several on your list didnt even show up during the war. Many of these so called ''weapons project'' were/are nothing more than scams to steal money.

 

[Navid09]

actually in recessions cash is king and everyone will be selling their assets for cash to survive as they lose their jobs

I would hold a little physical cash that would help me survive a few months just in case you can't get access to a bank. But the rest I would invest in precious metals, they usually increase a lot in value during recessions.

 

[kastor ville]

I would hold a little physical cash that would help me survive a few months just in case you can't get access to a bank. But the rest I would invest in precious metals, they usually increase a lot in value during recessions.

Unfortunately even precious metals are in the bubble territory... The best way to keep your money is in bonds and low risk dividend paying stocks.

 

[Shafagh]

Several on your list didnt even show up during the war

How would you know? Do you think they have cameras recording action of every single air defence unit?

Of those systems that I listed, which ones do you think are scams?

 

[Persian Gulf]

I would hold a little physical cash that would help me survive a few months just in case you can't get access to a bank. But the rest I would invest in precious metals, they usually increase a lot in value during recessions.

well their performance during recessions is mixed. they are better in high inflation environments. all assets tend to decline in recessions as people liquidate assets to pay bills.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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