Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Meengla]

That’s why I believe all political parties need to sit together, at least once, to show unity. The world shouldn’t see us divided from within. Once we resolve our internal issues, we’ll be able to face any external challenge with strength and dignity.

Oh Bhai: Imran Khan, when there was the crisis against India during the 2019 conflict, refused to attend even National Security Council meeting because he didn't want to be seen with 'the corrupt'.
How many times I have pointed out that Imran is an extremely deranged person; it is his personality, which he shares with the likes of Altaf Hussein and Nawaz Sharif, that is Imran's biggest problem. And to hoist someone like him to rule a country like Pakistan?!! What a historic crime the Establishment's idiots did starting ten years ago.
Imran is like the famous Sindhi singer Allan Faqeer: A great singer, but illiterate. Allan was given a high position as sign of respect but the officials quickly realized that a singer, as great as he maybe, was not suited for the role. Hahaha!

 

[Meengla]

So, you didn’t read history….. did we not as a state called jihad on afghan soil and sent our people across the border to blow themselves up in afghandustan and Kashmir …. The responsibility lies with the state itself stop blaming people we brainwashed to do such things….,,

It was that manhoos General Zia ul Haq's fault!!! No doubt about that. But time to move forward. Zia died almost four decades ago. But his ghost still lives. And lives in the hearts and minds of too many Pakistanis and Afghans.

 

[aurelianpilled]

Afghanistan accuses Pakistan of 'violating Kabul's sovereign territory'

The allegation by the Taliban came after two loud blasts were heard in the city late on Thursday.

www.bbc.com

Exactly what happened is unclear; BBC Afghan's correspondent saw no signs of an explosion in the suspected location of the blasts on Friday, but did report a heavy Taliban presence and mobile checkpoints.

What do you think is going on here?

The Afghan Taliban is certainly hiding almost everything since as per this RFERL report and claimed by a TTP source itself, two senior commanders of the TTP were indeed killed in Kabul. They say that Noor Wali Mehsud is alive but something seems fishy for sure because of the mixed up accounts from all sides.

Moreover, if this is indeed true, one thing is for sure, we were partially successful in eliminating HVTs through pinpoint and precise hits, something even India was unable to do despite almost 10 days of planning and all the intelligence they could have gathered after the Pahalgam attack.

 

[El Sidd]

That, my friend, is the trick jingoism plays on the mind..... it convinces you that asking for evidence is somehow deceitful and "disingenuous" , yet swallowing propaganda from an institution hardly known for its truthfulness is somehow virtuous...

If we claim the right to bomb Afghanistan without presenting any credible proof of its direct involvement in the attack on our soil that killed 11 soldiers, or even fail to prove that TTP leadership was indeed sheltered by Taliban in Kabul, then we surrender the moral ground to protest when India invokes the same logic over Occupied Kashmir and attacks Islamabad, Lahore or Bahawalpur.....leave aside jingoism and recognize the perilous slope this reasoning leads us down.... one where might, not justice, becomes the measure of right.

Kashmir and India cannot be compared with KPK and Afghanistan. It's a noble rhetoric but has no basis in any internationally recognized charter.

Maybe Pakistan and Afghanistan has reached an agreement in combating terrorism in Afghanistan as recently the interim Afghan government cited capacity issues. It would be too early and futile to speculate on such matters. Pakistan enjoys such agreement with Iran as well.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

The one man is responsible, the anti army sentiment has been picking up since may 9 2023. Don't deflect, khan went full retard. Never go full retard.

And why is anti-Army sentiment picking up?

On the subject of not deflecting, please don’t ignore the fact that in this age of social media, where even the Zionists have lost control over the narrative, the Fauj overthrowing a popular government and carrying out a vicious and violent crackdown (abductions, torture and murder) on the party and its supporters would have serious repercussions in terms of attitudes towards the Fauj.

You all see this happening with Palestine and Israel, you saw what happened with the Arab spring movements, but yet you feel that Pakistanis should just keep taking atrocities and excesses by autocrats and dictators without ANY blowback.

Address the root cause, which is Establishment overreach and constitutional violations.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Kashmir and India cannot be compared with KPK and Afghanistan. It's a noble rhetoric but has no basis in any internationally recognized charter.

Maybe Pakistan and Afghanistan has reached an agreement in combating terrorism in Afghanistan as recently the interim Afghan government cited capacity issues. It would be too early and futile to speculate on such matters. Pakistan enjoys such agreement with Iran as well.

No one is equating India and Kashmir with Afghanistan and KP, troll. Read it properly this time.

 

[El Sidd]

No one is equating India and Kashmir with Afghanistan and KP, troll. Read it properly this time.

I have read it word by word. Morality requires an even playing field under a charter. You can make a point without the obvious exaggeration.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

army has always been hated because of men like IK , first they make deals with establishment and gain power then they ask for more and sometimes too much and establishment removes them and because of their popularity among our uneducated masses ,the people turn against the army men like Akbar Bugti and many more . also remind me who attacked military posts in may few year ago .

Once again, why is the Army making ‘deals’ and violating the constitution?

PTI supporters (most if them) didn’t ask for deals and aren’t asking for deals. If anything, we believe the Army undermined the PTI in the elections by rigging and reducing the number of seats it won so it would be forced into a weak coalition and be easy to manipulate.

Even now, no one is asking the Fauj to just ‘place PTI into power’. We just want a free and fair election and an end to Fauji interventions in politics and elections.

 

[Abdul q]

It was that manhoos General Zia ul Haq's fault!!! No doubt about that. But time to move forward. Zia died almost four decades ago. But his ghost still lives. And lives in the hearts and minds of too many Pakistanis and Afghans.

So, was it only general zia? Who then made some factions of this terrorists as ally(afghan talibans) ….also I just can’t even get my head around the fact that the current leadership is installed by foreign powers who has history of hostile actions against the country and you expect people not to resist (not talking about blowing shit up) but arms less resistance…… if there’s no resistance that means you’re well enslaved… resistance is what makes nations. Pakistan itself is a resistance movement shouldn’t be speaking against it…

 

[Blueishere]

The 'majority'!! What a Sacred Cow that is! No political party in Pakistan, despite however 'heavy mandate' they got, ever even crossed the 40% popular votes, which means the rest of the 60% were against the 'heavy mandate'. On top of that, it suits some people well to bring 'democracy' into the discussion but only when it is expedient for their preferred political party. And speaking of the 'majority': Indians have thrice elected Modi and look at in just 11 years he has destroyed the hard work of decades at least in terms of foreign policy.
Which brings my point: I don't care for 'democracy' in Pakistan at all as long as Pakistan faces a dire threat from India! And so when someone uses ethnic card or the references to the East Pakistan debacle as veiled threat then I particularly despite those 'leaders'. The Pakistani military is the first, only, and the last line of defense for Pakistan and as long as there is the dire, potent threat from India, I don't give a damn about the democrats, whether real or fake!

Let's say I'm a protector of a village, who is enemies with another village. My power and salary are reliant on fear and hatred of that village, why would I ever allow peace between the two? It only hurts me.

 

[Tamerlane]

No one seems to have any idea about how to solve the perpetual problem of Afghanistan. But there are some things we need to ponder over.

For one, Afghanistan has borders with Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, and Pakistan. All the other borders are peaceful and there are no major problems. Somehow only Pakistan has managed to antagonize Afghans enough that the only thing that unites them is their contempt for Pakistan. It’s a mirror image of what Pakistanis feel for India.

Pakistan’s policies have switched from one ethnicity to another, from one group to another to the point that even the majority Pashtuns, and the Tajiks, Hazaras, secular, religious, educated, uneducated, all dislike Pakistan.

Could there be the possibility that Pakistan’s wrong policies brought this about? That’s something we need to think about.

I see the mess with Afghanistan as an extension of the mess inside Pakistan. It’s bad governance which has made Pakistan itself a land of poverty and discontent. There’s not much development in Pakistan outside of a few neighborhoods in major cities.

I don’t see the issues with Afghanistan ever being resolved without fixing Pakistan’s internal issues first.

 

[RescueRanger]

@Waterboy thread banned.

 

[RescueRanger]

Enough guys. Any more and I dont care if you are a TT or a respected member, you will earn points.

 

[safriz]

So, you didn’t read history….. did we not as a state called jihad on afghan soil and sent our people across the border to blow themselves up in afghandustan and Kashmir …. The responsibility lies with the state itself stop blaming people we brainwashed to do such things….,,

For example plenty of White British also go fight in Ukraine against Russia. None of them come back and do something similar in London.

 

[Abdul q]

No one seems to have any idea about how to solve the perpetual problem of Afghanistan. But there are some things we need to ponder over.

For one, Afghanistan has borders with Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, and Pakistan. All the other borders are peaceful and there are no major problems. Somehow only Pakistan has managed to antagonize Afghans enough that the only thing that unites them is their contempt for Pakistan. It’s a mirror image of what Pakistanis feel for India.

Pakistan’s policies have switched from one ethnicity to another, from one group to another to the point that even the majority Pashtuns, and the Tajiks, Hazaras, secular, religious, educated, uneducated, all dislike Pakistan.

Could there be the possibility that Pakistan’s wrong policies brought this about? That’s something we need to think about.

I see the mess with Afghanistan as an extension of the mess inside Pakistan. It’s bad governance which has made Pakistan itself a land of poverty and discontent. There’s not much development in Pakistan outside of a few neighborhoods in major cities.

I don’t see the issues with Afghanistan ever being resolved without fixing Pakistan’s internal issues first.

Most sensible post by far on this thread…… but anything to progress and develop the acceptability for wrong doings is the first step which I have never seen in some of institutions….. they keep going against public opinion and continue to do what they think is right, but what can i expect from people who are brought into power by a phone call from a foreign power…. I believe the new meet grinding of Pakistanis have begun what’s needed is revolution like nepal, bdesh the sooner the better….