Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Ibbi32]

If these afghans keep claiming integral parts of Pakistan since our independence we need to start claiming half of Afghanistan in return

 

[RocketLaw]

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Please verify if these sources are reliable or not, I dunno.

 

[I*R*A]

If these afghans keep claiming integral parts of Pakistan since our independence we need to start claiming half of Afghanistan in return

We strictly do not.

 

[muhammed45]

Why did you launch missiles at Erbil in December 2021? There was no provocation from them or they did not attack iran at all, then why? Did your government think twice that their actions could result in killing of other Muslim brothers living there?

Didn't Qasim Sulemani threaten Pakistan with a war?

Didn't your country launch missiles at Pakistan?

What will iran do if their border posts are attacked and their military men killed by let us say Pakistani Army in this similar fashion?

The problem with your country and the other Muslim country bordering us is, you befriend our arch enemy, you expect us to be good Muslims, but you yourself won't budge twice to show your superiority over us and consider us as some black skinned beggars.

I hope I have given enough reasons for you to ponder and rethink why it is not our fault and why we reserve all the right to resort to violence if we are attacked and not respected and considered weak. Our show of Muslim brotherhood has repeatedly been violated, ignored and abused by both our Muslim neighboring countries.

This is off-topic. Tag me somewhere else. Thanks

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

no mass change

Disparity between the organized and disenfranchised is by an order of magnitude greater than perhaps anywhere else... the apparatus not only enjoys unparalleled impunity... It doesn't follow rules set forth by its own guidelines.

These don't happen in a vacuum. The guarantor of such regime ensures no mandate is needed... so it operates above the law... constitution or constraints.

In that case the impunity is endowed... granted via proxy... lose the guarantor ... lose impunity. Only than can all exercise the same and a constitution applied.

One with shared consequences...

 

[RocketLaw]

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[El Sidd]

And failed. You wish to continue with failed diplomacy.

Diplomacy is not a one off thing. If it failed prior to skirmish, it may and can succeed after.

Does Pakistani constitution say explicitly that when your Muslim brother wages war on you do not respond?

What if we TTP declares itself a state, should we just accept and start diplomatic process with them as well, because now constitution does not allow it?

Before you answer, keep in mind world has not yet recognised TTA run show as a legitimate afghan government.

Don't we claim to be waging war on Khawarij? And didn't we accept Bangladesh? The world has a working relationship with the interim government in Afghanistan specially when it comes to refugees either returning or currently in Afghanistan. Why can't you do the same?

The basic point is that Iran enforces law and harmony, much more compared to Pakistan.

And Iran has not had to tolerate what Pakistan has had to.


Subsequently it is a lesson for Pakistan to societally enforce law and order then let things get this bad.

Pakistanis don't have the colonial civilisational cruelty embedded in them to carry relations with Afghanistan like Iranians do. Pakistan is the only country for Afghanistan that has always held a progressive outlook for them and do not exploit history.

 

[I*R*A]

Diplomacy is not a one off thing. If it failed prior to skirmish, it may and can succeed after.

Yes, but only when we have properly humiliated them, neutralized our enemies and have left no bargaining chip available to them.

They are a non elected regime, we should not talk to them. We should only talk to people who represent all afghanistan and can make tough decisions. Till then, we should just guard our borders and keep neutralizing key enemies of Pakistan inside afghanistan.

Don't we claim to be waging war on Khawarij? And didn't we accept Bangladesh? The world has a working relationship with the interim government in Afghanistan specially when it comes to refugees either returning or currently in Afghanistan. Why can't you do the same?

Before the world developed a working relationship with them it was always us recognizing them. Why cannot they simply be our friends and behave and fulfill the promises they made?

Needless to mention but I expect you to know the importance of fulfilling promises in Islam

 

[KingQamaR]

Again, war between Afg and Pak is not only bad but also too dangerous and only benefits external forces. It will affect all of the neighboring countries' security. It will also threaten innocent civilians of both countries.

And no, i don't have any grudge against Iraqis. That was a simple sarcasm.

Peaceful solution is much better, mediation must not be done by colonial powers esp western powers such as USA that wants to returnto Afghanistan. They have already stained their hands with the blood of our people-s. So its good to refrain from asking for more violence. It will be considered as an invitation for foreign powers to come and take the advantage of it.

I think i explained better than the last post.

Again, war between Afg and Pak is not only bad but also too dangerous and only benefits external forces. It will affect all of the neighboring countries' security. It will also threaten innocent civilians of both countries.

And no, i don't have any grudge against Iraqis. That was a simple sarcasm.

Peaceful solution is much better, mediation must not be done by colonial powers esp western powers such as USA that wants to returnto Afghanistan. They have already stained their hands with the blood of our people-s. So its good to refrain from asking for more violence. It will be considered as an invitation for foreign powers to come and take the advantage of it.

I think i explained better than the last post.

What about TTP attacking Pakistan and residing in Afghanistan?

Taliban have been warned for years but they continue to harbour terrorists against Pakistan.

So blame the Indians terrorists funding it and not Americans or Zionists.

 

[El Sidd]

As I understand Afghanistan wants to seize territory, in fact what do they really want?
The basis of the negotiated end terms can obviously be influenced by what the Pakistan military is able to do and inflict

In that sense it will be Afghanistan who has to take upon their hearts the idea of being reasonable

1. Durand line is non-negotiable -
2. TTP must cease operations in Afghanistan - be arrested by IEA and handed over to Pakistan
3. Afghanistan needs to take ownership to police her side of the international border.

These are the minimum.

The interim Afghanistan government does not have the capacity to enforce these. Pakistan may settle for IMAFT peacekeeping mission to ensure Afghan territory does not become a launchpad for any rogue group or state.

What is the issue here is TTP(Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan) it largely consists of damn Afghan immigrant who fled to Pakistan, this organisation used to uphold agenda similar to Taliban and wants similar government in Pakistan. It have now become a dangerous Terrorist organization conducting suicide attacks in multiple locations.
It IS harboured by Afghanistan as they are more than 90% Afghani, and they hardly have any ground to operate in Pakistan. Technically we are at war with these treacherous Afghans..

Afghanistan does not need to go to war with Pakistan over petty criminals.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Taliban start again.

 

[I*R*A]

This is off-topic. Tag me somewhere else. Thanks

Na na na , the answers to all these questions are very much pertinent and a must for your better understanding.

 

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[Dr khan]

1. Durand line is non-negotiable -
2. TTP must cease operations in Afghanistan - be arrested by IEA and handed over to Pakistan
3. Afghanistan needs to take ownership to police her side of the international border.

These are the minimum.

Well thats not thr official policy, till date AFGHANISTAN doesn't accept durand line and we havent told them that for any diplomatic relations they need ti accept it
Because they don't, they have an official policy of terroism...from najeeb to afghan Taliban.. everyone has followed it
No.2,3 are irrelevant because they dependent on no.1. the reason why afghan taliban support and dont manage the durand line is because they don't accept it

Its similar to what china says, you cant accept taiwan as independent state and have diplomatic relations with us... hence noone, not even USA accept taiwan as separate country

 

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Unless its an official statement from official source we shouldn't even be taking this with a pinch of salt.