Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[_Arabia_]

What makes sense to one side may not make sense to the other side. Obviously, there has to be compromise for the matter to proceed to a workable and realistic solution.

I am talking from the perspective of Palestinians. I don't care about the Israelis here. They were handed their country from foreign colonizers (British) to begin with and after conducting mass-scale terror and genocide (Nakba). In a "fair world" there should not be any Israel to begin with in Palestine. Rather it should have been recreated somewhere in Germany, Bavaria preferably.

Yes, and where do you see the compromise from the Israeli side when this below is the reality in the West Bank?

Mapping the 21 illegal settlements Israel had in Gaza 20 years ago

Israel pulled its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005 but maintained control of its borders, coasts, and airspace.

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[VCheng]

In a "fair world" there should not be any Israel to begin with in Palestine.

Agreed. But we have to live in the world as it actually exists, not as we wish to see it.

 

[lightning f57]

For its part, China seeks presence without deep engagement and influence without responsibility. This strategy, while cost-effective, risks undermining its international prestige as a global leader. Unless China redefines its normative diplomacy, it will remain an economic giant but a geopolitical dwarf in the Arab imagination.

I think this is still their current strategy and I dont see it changing with Xi. Maybe a new leader in the future may take a fresh approach.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[_Arabia_]

Agreed. But we have to live in the world as it actually exists, not as we wish to see it.

Sure, now what to do with my question and the ground realities that I posted in regards to the MASSIVE amount of illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza being an isolated enclave even with the pre-1967 borders used?

How viable is such a Palestinian state?

The so-call deal (peace deal) is just another Palestinian loss. Hamas demilitarized and removed from power, Israeli power/control of Gaza even greater than before (it was already an open prison for 20 + years), no consequences for Israel for their genocide, no viable roadmap towards a Palestinian state etc.

The only good thing is that Israeli killings have stopped bur for how long will that continue? Now even if it stops, then what? Who will pay those many billions of dollars to reconstruct Gaza when it will just be a question of time before Israel levels the place again like they have done a few times in the past 20 + years?

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[VCheng]

Sure, now what to do with my question and the ground realities that I posted in regards to the MASSIVE amount of illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza being an isolated enclave even with the pre-1967 borders used?

My comment applies directly to your statements about the situation since you accept that you are "talking from the perspective of Palestinians. I don't care about the Israelis here".

How does one arrive at a resolution of this conflict without taking perspectives of both sides involved, no matter how right or wrong one of them may be?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[_Arabia_]

My comment applies directly to your statements about the situation since you accept that you are "talking from the perspective of Palestinians. I don't care about the Israelis here".

How does one arrive at a resolution of this conflict without taking perspectives of both sides involved, no matter how right or wrong one of them may be?

Instead of arguing semantics, answer my question, how exactly is Israel looking for a "compromise" by building an enormous amount of illegal settlements in the West Bank? How is that conductive towards peace or a two-state solution and how do you solve that?

Palestinians have agreed to pre-1967 borders, that is basically them giving up 78% of the land that they controlled/inhabited prior to 1948. Sounds like a pretty damn good compromise to me. 1 million times more than the Israelis deserve considering what occurred in 1948.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[VCheng]

Instead of arguing semantics, answer my question, how exactly is Israel looking for a "compromise" by building an enormous amount of illegal settlements in the West Bank? How is that conductive towards peace or a two-state solution and how do you solve that?

Palestinians have agreed to pre-1967 borders, that is basically them giving up 80% of the land that they controlled/inhabited prior to 1948. Sounds like a pretty damn good compromise to me. 1 million times more than the Israelis deserve considering what occurred in 1948.

That is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to work out between themselves as the two parties directly involved. Both sides have been trying for a long time to get their own preferred solution into existence without much success thus far.

Perhaps now they may come up with something more realistic? I do not know, but I sure hope they do.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[VCheng]

The only good thing is that Israeli killings have stopped bur for how long will that continue? Now even if it stops, then what? Who will pay those many billions of dollars to reconstruct Gaza when it will just be a question of time before Israel levels the place again like they have done a few times in the past 20 + years?

I suppose we all have to see how your concerns are, or are not, realized, with the passage of time.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Donald Trump's former chief advisor Steve Bannon:

A Palestinian state is being established in the Gaza Strip with Gulf money and Turkish weapons, where 2 million Palestinians will live.

Through the hands of the Turks who did not want Netanyahu at that meeting...

The foundations of the new Middle East order were laid not in Jerusalem, but in a resort town on Egypt's Red Sea coast.

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