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@Emirzad
You can be proud at least from IRGCAF.

I think they're exactly correcting weaknesses during the 12 days war.

First, Underground bases and even more interesting hardened positions will make much more resilient and decisive punishments operations against Israel.

Second, Purchasing last generation long range russian and Chinese (if its true) SAM will enhance indigenous industry to fill gaps in IADs

Third. Incoming new long range fighters would help to shield IRGCAF non hardened positions and nuclear infraestructure.

All in all they bet most of their deterrence again in ballistic missile power, that is the only way to dissuade Israel and US to touch the wasp nest again.
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I always call the IRGCAF the worlds most war hardened or experienced missile corps. They have fought war and multiple battles against worlds toughest adversaries with dense layered AD, still managed to defeat the AD. They are also armed to teeth with modern weapons and well funded. I am just kinda concerned that they will be systematically brought down in making "deals" with west because that actually happened before when Khamenei put the limits on ranges.

I do not think any Russian or Chinese SAM will make any difference because the battery Radar itself wont have the range to track anything from above Iraq (or Persian Gulf). Iranian IADS needs a way to protect its Early Warning Search Assets at all costs from internal terrorism and by countering IAF over Iraq using air-superiority jets of IRIAF (SU-35S, SU-30SM). Even if we park 10 x Bavar-373+ 10 s S-400 inside Iran, IAF will again fire MaRVed highly fast ALBMs from hundreds of KM away from Iranian border at IADS to blind its long search vision after which short ranged tracking radars are just sitting ducks without early warning data.
 
Emirzad said:
I do not think any Russian or Chinese SAM will make any difference because the battery Radar itself wont have the range to track anything from above Iraq (or Persian Gulf). Iranian IADS needs a way to protect its Early Warning Search Assets at all costs from internal terrorism and by countering IAF over Iraq using air-superiority jets of IRIAF (SU-35S, SU-30SM). Even if we park 10 x Bavar-373+ 10 s S-400 inside Iran, IAF will again fire MaRVed highly fast ALBMs from hundreds of KM away from Iranian border at IADS to blind its long search vision after which short ranged tracking radars are just sitting ducks without early warning data.
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That is why I think IRI is doing very well. Those hardened launch places must be protected by those Su35 fighters. Even if they cannot challenge israelí Air force, they will make things much harder and protect IADs from the air. If you can't fight those ALBM at least you can make their launchers things harder.
 
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That is why I think IRI is doing very well. Those hardened launch places must be protected by those Su35 fighters. Even if they cannot challenge israelí Air force, they will make things much harder and protect IADs from the air. If you can't fight those ALBM at least you can make their launchers things harder.
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There is no Air Defense asset in the world that can fight ALBM. Israeli ALBM arsenal is large, diverse, probably the most modern in the world. They dont talk about it so people dont know much but they can literally fire MRBMs from their fighter jets at lofted apogee with separating MaRV coming down dancing at hypersonic speed. What can stop this monster? Take entire IRGCAF's solid fuel MRBM arsenal (Fattah, KS, Haj Qassem, Zolfaghar etc) and turn them into ALBMs and you get IAFs air launched capabilities. So yeah you are right that only bet is to pit SU-35S armed with R37 to take on attack groups of IAF over Iraq. Bring down their F-16 and F-15i if not F-35 or couple of US Supplied tankers so they stay away from Iran.
 
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@Emirzad
You can be proud at least from IRGCAF.

I think they're exactly correcting weaknesses during the 12 days war.

First, Underground bases and even more interesting hardened positions will make much more resilient and decisive punishments operations against Israel.

Second, Purchasing last generation long range russian and Chinese (if its true) SAM will enhance indigenous industry to fill gaps in IADs

Third. Incoming new long range fighters would help to shield IRGCAF non hardened positions and nuclear infraestructure.

All in all they bet most of their deterrence again in ballistic missile power, that is the only way to dissuade Israel and US to touch the wasp nest again.
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this is an old photo from 2020
 
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This is FAKE.
You cant expect afghans to develop solid rocket propellent with enough impulse and burn rate to cross 400 km range....
 
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new missile launchers and missiles delivered to IRGC-ASF

this includes missile launchers that were damaged in the war and that have now been refurbished and returned to service

the Israeli narrative that Iran lost most of its missile launchers is hilariously implausible

hope we see Fattah-1, Khorramshahr-4 and Qasem Basir missiles deployed in large numbers across multiple missile bases and other sites.

Qasem Basir in particular can really make a big difference in the next round. it is a shame it was not in production yet.
 
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Persian Gulf said:
the Israeli narrative that Iran lost most of its missile launchers is hilariously implausible
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What isn’t implausible is there was a STEEP drop off in Iranian launch capability by the end of war. Iran was firing salvos of 10-20 (at best). And daily totals of missiles fired was abysmal by the end.

Whether that was attributed to launchers being taken out, missile bases being out of commission, or a multitude of reasons. The fact is Iran accepted the end of the 12 day war embarrassing enough after the U.S. also came in and bombed it’s nuclear facilities (a declaration of war and a war crime).

Why did they accept the end to the war after such humiliation?

Well either their BM supply was severely constrained and they feared their energy facilities would be struck next without the ability to respond appropriately. All of that made the regime select SURVIVAL.

The whole “you started this war, we will be the ones who end it” was false propaganda. While I am sure Bibi would have loved to get regime change, after the U.S. bombed Iran’s nuclear program his 30 year wet dream finally came true and he was happy to call Trump and tell him we are ready to end the war. This notion that Israel “begged” for a ceasefire is quite frankly copium x10000

So these videos while encouraging, don’t solve the problem which is that Iran’s missile cadence fell off dramatically after first 3 days. Repairing launchers or adding more missiles won’t fix that if the air is filled with Israeli drones and fighter jets in the next war.
 
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