Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[HRK]

so looks like he is OK with Afghanistan Talibans doing Hindutva work???

He himself have links with India

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Taliban is an entity that claims to be Muslim and doesn't highlight Hindutva atrocities against Indian Muslims. Taliban is a terror entity that claims that Pakistani territory belongs to Afghanistan and India. Taliban is an entity that doesn't have any qualms shaking hands with Gujrat butcher Modi and sowing terror in Pakistan.

There cannot be peace with Taliban entity. Never.

The taliban are NOT REAL Muslims. They worship, venerate and collude with the most Islamaphobic, anti-Muslim hindutva indians who swear and insult the beloved prophets of Islam. The taliban are low iq racist retards who fantasise about seizing Pakistani territory. The ONLY thing left for the taliban to do is to OPENLY convert to hinduism and sikhism. Many afghans already chant "jai hind".

 

[Yasser76]

Omani C-130 flying over Pak to Kabul again, for 3rd time in as many days. Suspect backdoor track II maybe in Muscat while official talks are in Doha.

 

[mythbuster]

Whatever it is bro but we shouldn't have cut Taliban so much slack to begin with. They have treated us their kindergarten school to create next breed of fanatics. Even this mullah Yaqoob was educated in Pakistan.

Countries always have interests and they protect their interests even militarily where it's necessary. For too long we have used this policy that we would not intervene in brotherly countries while other countries slaughter our interests in same brotherly countries.
During gulf war we used to buy very cheap fuel from Kuwait. Iraq started attacking fuel tankers. Kuwait requested Pak navy to protect these oil tankers but we refused. Then they said at least let these tankers sail under Pakistani flag but we said no we cant interfere in brotherly countries fight. And we lost Kuwait. It's almost 35 years now but Kuwait still gives us the middle finger.
Prime minister of Mauritius used to come almost every year to Pakistan. There happened a little uprising and mutiny in Mauritius and he requested military help from Pakistan and we parroted the same mantra that we don't interfere. He requested India and they sent a ship with few hundred soldiers and squashed the mutiny. From that day have you ever heard anything about Mauritius in Pakistan?
What happened during and after Yemen war is no mystery.
Here in Afghanistan again what's the use of having a strong military if we keep getting slapped by these? Should we smile and keep losing our people? Plz do remember they were sitting in India's lap long before we attacked them. It's not like we pushed them. They chose to make their bed with Indians bcz we couldn't let them use Pakistan as a holiday spot.

Entire nation of Pakistan was celebrating the death of Kuwait and worshipping Saddam Hussein as Saladin the second....... even then Kuwait was the biggest funder for rehabilitation after 2005 earth quake...... we are an ungrateful and duplicitous nation.....we have mastered the art blaming others for every shit that happens.

 

[Signalian]

Well if you believe the lies being peddled by "Afghan" accounts on X operated out of india:

Field Marshal Asim Munir has been arrested (again) and the Afghan Taliban just built the death star.

FM AM is different, just like 2019 is different from 2025.

In 2019, Bajwa and IK wanted to end the conflict and call it a day. Abhinandan was sent back in a jiffy. India thought Rafale is the answer and will eat up the F-16 that shot down Mig-21. India didn't take 2019 as a defeat that India took now in 2025. The whole world saw how IAF was humiliated by a smaller PAF flying J-10s as spear tip, JFT and F-16 providing back up to J-10s.

FM AM is not letting anything slip by easily and Im not trying to glorify him. He asked a response against Iran in 2024, ensuring PAF and PA send a strong message across. Fatah GMLRS came into light and J-10 saw its first air superiority CAP anticipating F-14s from IriAF, which never showed up.

Somehow, the atmosphere had changed after Bajwa left the seat. It reminds me of Musharraf, who was a vengeful personality. It was known he would bite back if you struck him. FM AM is not Musharraf type with an aggressive outlook, but he means business. He has chosen a cadre of officers around him who give offensive plans, want to fully utilize the weapon arsenal of Pakistan and try to get their hands on latest technology to keep an edge over Pakistan's adversaries. I remember how Kiyani, even though living under shadow of Musharraf, closed NATO supply route when Pakistani posts were attacked. An apology from USA, though late, brought things back to normal. While Musharraf was inclined towards Kashmir having served in AJK, FM AM has been stuck in the CT war against BLA and TTP from the first day. That may have had an impact on his military counsel as well, as if waiting for a chance to pounce back.

PAF cannot be ignored in all of this. The anticipation of countering Rafale brought J-10 in PAF colours soon after 2019. Air HQ knew edge in technology was required, therefore PAF invested in ground based jammers and long range AAM. They had made a fully prepared scenario of J-10 vs Rafale using force multipliers but ground assets since air assets like DA-20 EW still lacks power in wattage for jamming vis-a-vis ground based jamming system. Also HQ-9 was brought in the scene, as a high altitude SAM system to show IAF that S-400 is not the only high altitude SAM in the region. HQ-9 missile envelope along with J-10 PL-15s kept IAF at bay for days, till IAF had to rely on Brahmos as last ditch effort after the incursion of Israeli drones took a rapid downfall. It was evident that PAF had shaken IAF badly by downing Rafales and others aircrafts that they resorted to sending drones as next step and then banked on Brahmos to equate the damage that PAF had incurred on them.

No one knows for sure what Qatar talks will bring to the region, and more so if the talks will be successful or not as Pakistan has held talks till 2025 and now started punishing Taliban and their sidekick TTP with air strikes and artillery strikes. FM AM doesnt seem to be bothered that Afghani Army are "brothers", Taliban were once "friends" and that muslim brotherhood should be regarded when faced with terrorism from Afghanistan. He had shown that Pakistan's interests come before religious sentiments by retaliating against Iran already. Pakistan had never been so aggressive for its national security before such as now retaliating against aggressive moves of country (India) after country ( Afghanistan) within months.

 

[mythbuster]

The Taliban issue is quite nuanced. It was a creation of the ISI. Both sides happily used each other for a while. Now, the Taliban are in power and don't want to be the junior partner anymore. Also, Afghanistan is not really a modern state. It is more a confederacy of warlords bound together by a web of loyalties and enmities. The TTA and TTP are too closely entwined for the TTA to completely turn on them all of a sudden.

Also, I think you may be confused between Maldives, which is Muslim-majority, and Mauritius, where Hinduism is the most common religion and which has always been close to India. It was Maldives that faced a coup in 1988, where Pakistan didn't help them and India did.

You are talking nuances and jumping to a conclusion in a jiffy that Talibans are isi creation ....what a load of crap......ISI doesn't have God like powers though I wish she has

 

[Broghil]

The Taliban issue is quite nuanced. It was a creation of the ISI. Both sides happily used each other for a while. Now, the Taliban are in power and don't want to be the junior partner anymore. Also, Afghanistan is not really a modern state. It is more a confederacy of warlords bound together by a web of loyalties and enmities. The TTA and TTP are too closely entwined for the TTA to completely turn on them all of a sudden.

Also, I think you may be confused between Maldives, which is Muslim-majority, and Mauritius, where Hinduism is the most common religion and which has always been close to India. It was Maldives that faced a coup in 1988, where Pakistan didn't help them and India did.

Maldives got mixed with Mauritius. So it means that we should keep getting bombed and say nothing bcz what ISI did 30 odd years ago.
Pak does not want to invade or capture or reform Afghanistan.
It's their ideology to impose their version of sharia in Pakistan apart from getting back their land. And it's been like that long before ISI created anything.
Pak would not be bothered a bit even if they take whole TTP as their guests. But if they want to keep them safe and allow them at the same time to stir up problems for Pakistan then it was always bound to end up in the current scenario.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Do they know that alone if Pakistan decides to use only 5 of nuclear war head in Kabul would alone cause more than 1 million death just during the blast, fatal injuries to more than 2 million and mid term million of deaths and long term radition and cancer to almost all people living in Kabul. It will be mad max movie city where people will fighting for hunger to survive let along jihad against Pak.

In theory only : Actually a full city-busting 20 kiloton nuclear strike isn't needed. A sub-kiloton tactical nuke on a Babar/Raad cruise missile hitting the administrative centers of Kabul and Kandahar in a precision strike will easily take out the Taliban TTP leadership. Even if not killed directly the radiation alone will kill them over a few days. Pakistan also can use binary chemical weapons if its a question of our survival, The Taliban have no NBC protection and few tears will be shed anywhere in the world at their demise except perhaps in India

What Taliban can max do? Only can do sucidie blast in public area? 200 maybe 300 death and Pakistan with only 5 nuclear strike can wipeout entire bankbone of Afghan can and dust more than million of peole into ashes within minutes.

The Taliban can do nothing against a chemical biological or nuclear weapons attack but these may never be necessary

 

[SABRE]

Bingo. The Qasim story is definitely sold a certain way, basically a gang of Nobel warriors bringing justice rather than a invading army that looked to conquer the region I don't know why his arrival is considered such a big event when Islam didn't even become the majority in the regions the make up Pakistan till like the 12th or 13th century

Really going off topic here, but yes.

Even when [Afghan] Mahmud Ghazni (10-11 century) invaded Sindh, there were only two Muslim majority or dominated centers in the country, i.e., Al-Mansoora and Multan, which he razed to the ground. Multan recovered. Al-Mansoora didn't. Despite this there are Mahmud Ghazni apologist running amok on this land. Islam as a popular/majority religion in Sindh emerged after Ghazni's invasion.

Also, Muslims had begun settling in Sindh before Bin Qasim's invasion (which in actuality was the tyrant Hajaj Bin Yousif's expedition). These included people who were opposed to and had resisted Ummayad rule and had gotten refuge in Sindh.

 

[Yasser76]

Guys, we are not Israelis, we are Pakistanis. No one will nuke anyone. Precision conventional bombing every day over every Talib building. Make them fear the sound of drones amd avoid their own buildings. Keep doing this.

In the meantime support their opponants.

Eventually we can engineer their fall

 

[Toxic]

Really going off topic here, but yes.

Even when [Afghan] Mahmud Ghazni (10-11 century) invaded Sindh, there were only two Muslim majority or dominated centers in the country, i.e., Al-Mansoora and Multan, which he razed to the ground. Multan recovered. Al-Mansoora didn't. Despite this there are Mahmud Ghazni apologist running amok on this land. Islam as a popular/majority religion in Sindh emerged after Ghazni's invasion.

Also, Muslims had begun settling in Sindh before Bin Qasim's invasion (which in actuality was the tyrant Hajaj Bin Yousif's expedition). These included people who were opposed to and had resisted Ummayad rule and had gotten refuge in Sindh.

You should make a seperate thread where it can be discussed, also the whole story about Raja dahir's pirates taking Muslims hostage is completely cooked up

 

[Baibers_1260]

Guys, we are not Israelis, we are Pakistanis. No one will nuke anyone. Precision conventional bombing every day over every Talib building. Make them fear the sound of drones amd avoid their own buildings. Keep doing this.

In the meantime support their opponants.

Eventually we can engineer their fall

Yasser, a combined attack on both our eastern and western frontiers will guarantee a tactical nuclear attack on Afghanistan to snuff out that front as we focus on the east. The Taliban have no nuclear weapons so there is no risk of escalation if they are nuked. India is unlikely to go for a full fledged nuclear showdown in support of the Taliban .
So YES a tactical nuclear strike to close off that front in a two-front war is necessary. The beauty is that the mountains will prevent the spread of radiation eastwards. A nuclear strike on Afghanistan will also be a signal to India that we can opt for mutual nuclear martyrdom if we are going under anyway.

 

[El Sidd]

Oh definitely not although they have definitely been silently changing lot of the old bullshit that was taught to be actually true but the change is still just started happening in the last few years

As provincialism deepens, it would result in more inconsistent variations than what we have right now.

 

[mythbuster]

You should make a seperate thread where it can be discussed, also the whole story about Raja dahir's pirates taking Muslims hostage is completely cooked up

You can't build a false narrative without cooking up stories.....live with it.

 

[Desprado123]

Guys, we are not Israelis, we are Pakistanis. No one will nuke anyone. Precision conventional bombing every day over every Talib building. Make them fear the sound of drones amd avoid their own buildings. Keep doing this.

In the meantime support their opponants.

Eventually we can engineer their fall

I am talking about capablities of what can Pakistan and Taliban can. Pakistan can wipe out entire Kabul if want but i does not mean it should.

Taliban can mostly do is sucice bombing publics places while Pakistan can wipeout entire city with just 1 % or 2% of its warhead. Pakistan can but it should not.