JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

Mark Rourke Aviation Photography​

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Yes exactly. People show us 2023 updated units. It is hard to believe that Pakistan did not update or upgrade there units for JF 17 till 2025 as i think we got all J 10C jets till end of 2023. Therefore, it is a 2 year gab and we would never waste 2 year idle. Moreover, 2022 and 2023 was the worst finicial year for Pak. Therefore finances would never been an issue.

I have a feeling that the acquisition of J-10Cs had halted further production of JF-17 Thunders for the PAF.

It would be too expensive for Pakistan to place orders for brand new fighter aircrafts belonging to different classes at the same time.

It'll be either JF-17 Thunder, J-10C or J-35. Once all the finances have been met for an order, only then a new order will be placed.

I don't think Pakistan is in a hurry to order more fighters. If and when India places an order for more Rafales, J-10Cs will move up to the top of the priority list.

 

[Trigger]

Germany: sold PAF all the stuff needed to do domestic upgrades to MPDR's, upgrading them into modern AESA arrays. Optronics for PAF's UAV fleet, Sub fleet. Air defence also on the cards. Submarines on the table.

Saab: Sold PAF Erieyes, which are integrated and modified to suit PAF operational needs. Not to mention other equiptment still on the table.

France: Literally tried to transfer the entire Mirage F1 production line to Pakistan- ToT of Agosta class, support for the program to this day. +Life support systems for JF-17. Heck, they even created a custom scorpene variant for Pakistan.

Spain: EW systems for the JF-17, HIT's AIMS is a spanish system.

Italy: Frigates, Submarines, Air defence, EW, Radars, etc...

UK: Literally offered PAF their Tranche 1 typhoons for free, alongside a new build typhoon deal.

Korea: Artillery, Aircraft, sensors all on offer.

USA: Literally basically built a huge chunk of PAF's ASR network via TPS77's and then a follow up sale of TPS77MRR in the previous trump admin. Also literally offered to sell F-16V's to PAF. Not to mention is targeting more aircraft sales to the PAF.

Chinese ToT- JF-17 assembly- not even ToT, Hangor i guess? HIT had some SERIOUS qualms with the Haider project @Lion and their 'TOT'.

Stop the dickriding, You're a customer for China, the same as you are for all these other states, transferring tech is ONLY possible if you can ABSORB the tech lol. Good call, Pak should request ToT for Typhoons, will we produce them at the roadside ?

this is the first time i heard about the f1 production line and typhoon tranche thing. is there anywhere i can read more about this

 

[SABRE]

I have a feeling that the acquisition of J-10Cs had halted further production of JF-17 Thunders for the PAF.

I suspect the JF-17 production line might be busy with Azerbaijani orders. Believe Alan Warnes did hint that prioritizing Azerbaijan's order may require PAF/PAC to delay its own. I'll confess, despite having worked closely with PAF than any other force, I do not know the production or assembly capacity of either PAC or CAC. Perhaps, someone with more insider knowledge would know. Of course, if the funds are available - in form or the other - the delay could be mitigated with more J-10C. But we haven't publicly seen anything on that either.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I suspect the JF-17 production line might be busy with Azerbaijani orders. Believe Alan Warnes did hint that prioritizing Azerbaijan's order may require PAF/PAC to delay its own. ...

Yes, that does make sense.

 

[suryaya]

Any grain of truth to this? Probably not right?

Bangladesh Makes Urgent Acquisition of JF-17 Block III Fighters - Bangladesh Military Forces

Reading Time: 2 minutesAmid rising tensions along the Bangladesh–Myanmar border, the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) has reportedly moved to strengthen its combat capabilities. Complementing the ongoing J-10CE programme, the Air Force is said to have procured 16 JF-17 Thunder Block III light...

www.bdmilitary.com

 

[That_Guy]

Any grain of truth to this? Probably not right?

Bangladesh Makes Urgent Acquisition of JF-17 Block III Fighters - Bangladesh Military Forces

Reading Time: 2 minutesAmid rising tensions along the Bangladesh–Myanmar border, the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) has reportedly moved to strengthen its combat capabilities. Complementing the ongoing J-10CE programme, the Air Force is said to have procured 16 JF-17 Thunder Block III light...

www.bdmilitary.com

Multiple sources reporting this, including Bangali.

No official confirmation yet. I'd wait and see.

 

[Michael]

Any grain of truth to this? Probably not right?

Bangladesh Makes Urgent Acquisition of JF-17 Block III Fighters - Bangladesh Military Forces

Reading Time: 2 minutesAmid rising tensions along the Bangladesh–Myanmar border, the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) has reportedly moved to strengthen its combat capabilities. Complementing the ongoing J-10CE programme, the Air Force is said to have procured 16 JF-17 Thunder Block III light...

www.bdmilitary.com

For Bangladesh, procuring the JF-17B3 is more difficult than procuring the J-10CE.

This refers to the financial issue.

If they were to procure the J-10CE, China could offer a large loan or large installment payments. However, Pakistan is unable to offer Bangladesh similar payment terms for the JF-17B3. Bangladesh would need to have sufficient cash on hand, which clearly does not meet Bangladesh's current requirements.

Even if JF-17B3 is purchased from China, China cannot provide similar payment terms. ------ CATIC can default on payments to CAC, but not to PAC.

 

[Signalian]

I have a feeling that the acquisition of J-10Cs had halted further production of JF-17 Thunders for the PAF.

It would be too expensive for Pakistan to place orders for brand new fighter aircrafts belonging to different classes at the same time.

It'll be either JF-17 Thunder, J-10C or J-35. Once all the finances have been met for an order, only then a new order will be placed.

I don't think Pakistan is in a hurry to order more fighters. If and when India places an order for more Rafales, J-10Cs will move up to the top of the priority list.

In capability and threat factor, J-10 trumps JFT block III.
PAF JFT squadrons are swollen. PAF needs J-10. 16 are in flying squadron, 4 are in CCS. There are 16 more that are included in the deal but still haven't been acquired.

 

[Signalian]

Multiple sources reporting this, including Bangali.

No official confirmation yet. I'd wait and see.

so thats a JFT vs JFT scenario.

 

[Signalian]

I suspect the JF-17 production line might be busy with Azerbaijani orders. Believe Alan Warnes did hint that prioritizing Azerbaijan's order may require PAF/PAC to delay its own. I'll confess, despite having worked closely with PAF than any other force, I do not know the production or assembly capacity of either PAC or CAC. Perhaps, someone with more insider knowledge would know. Of course, if the funds are available - in form or the other - the delay could be mitigated with more J-10C. But we haven't publicly seen anything on that either.

JFT Block III radar is smaller than J-10s radar. Thus affecting range and not fully utilizing PL-15 unless Data link comes into play. In PAF, its somewhat ironic; J-10 has air superiority role, F-16 is doing bombing runs and JFT for long range precision strikes. Mirage and F-7 still flown for numbers.

Investment on J-10 seems sound, more numbers, more squadrons. Upgrades of F-16 are on cards, like news of new AMRAAM.

 

[ARMalik]

JFT Block III radar is smaller than J-10s radar. Thus affecting range and not fully utilizing PL-15 unless Data link comes into play. In PAF, its somewhat ironic; J-10 has air superiority role, F-16 is doing bombing runs and JFT for long range precision strikes. Mirage and F-7 still flown for numbers.

Investment on J-10 seems sound, more numbers, more squadrons. Upgrades of F-16 are on cards, like news of new AMRAAM.

Ideal to have it but JFT after all is a smaller fighter than J-10 - it has a different role. You would need a much more powerful engine in JFT to have a radar with more range. Hence data-link is good enough for now for JFT.

 

[hasssanali8998]

people saying these are first deliveries to Azerbaijan , can anybody confirm .
photo by tipu creativity on x

 

[Qaraca]

It looks like Baku. It’s also not from Adex 2024, because at Adex 2024 there were 2 aircrafts, 1 Block III displayed on ground, and 1 Block II that flew for the air display. Here we have 3 aircrafts.

Some comments said that the aircraft in the photo have Pakistani flag, but that is hard to determine due to quality. I don’t know what forum members think, but I was not able to determine from that image. If that is the case, it’s also possible that they arrived to fly at the military parade that will be held nexth month. For example French airforce Rafales recently flew in Serbia’s military parade (Serbia is a Rafale customer).