Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Silent_fighter]

My dear brother you cannot blame all Tribals. As we have mentioned before many of these tribes marry militants for safety and due to tribal links - most of these tribes are transient and have families across the border too.

The problem is there are many tribal elders who support the government and army but due to the level of misinformation and speed at which seemingly hostile videos spread on social media its easy to assume that negative sentiment is rampant in the tribal belt which is simply not true.

We must learn to not only temper our expectations but also practice forbearance.

I agree not all of them but most of terrorist sympathiser and facilitator live in this FATA, i spent my last few days in reading thousand of comments and check thousand of profile from FATA at least 50% of FATA people are activity facilitating TTP. I am keen reader of history this area only know one language which is extreme level of crack down like 2014 or like what Chughtai khan, MEHMOOD ghaznavi or Babur did to them, they have always promoted anti state propaganda through out their history it seem “ shar” (eveil deed) is part of their dna. When Army people get killed they mock and say army killing their own people when terrorist go to hell they say army is killing innocent pashtun.
Even i was supporter of Imran khan until 2022 i strongly believe imran khan had played a biggest role in corrupting people mind against state of Pakistan.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Who accepted whos demands, incidents during and after the deal are showing us.
Afhani terrorist doinf the same thing but Pakistan is quiet, not even a strong message, statement , warning.....NO RESPONSE/

 

[RescueRanger]

I agree not all of them but most of terrorist sympathiser and facilitator live in this FATA, i spent my last few days in reading thousand of comments and check thousand of profile from FATA at least 50% of FATA people are activity facilitating TTP. I am keen reader of history this area only know one language which is extreme level of crack down like 2014 or like what Chughtai khan, MEHMOOD ghaznavi or Babur did to them, they have always promoted anti state propaganda through out their history it seem “ shar” (eveil deed) is part of their dna. When Army people get killed they mock and say army killing their own people when terrorist go to hell they say army is killing innocent pashtun.
Even i was supporter of Imran khan until 2022 i strongly believe imran khan had played a biggest role in corrupting people mind against state of Pakistan.

1. Okay brother, firstly social media is open to manipulation, internet penetration in tribal areas is low to say the least, so the posts you do read are likely linked to PTM handles which are also operated outside Pakistan.

2. This 50% figure... where did you obtain it because its simply not accurate. We have to be careful when posting comments like 50% of x people want so and so without any independently verifiable informarion.

3. Calling for ethnic cleansing on this website is not allowed, and nor should such comments be condoned.

4. Again the ones spreading Anti-Army propoganda have a "platform" if you conduct even the most rudimentary analysis of who follows, reposts and likes such comments you will see the point of origin.

5. Please dont discuss domestic politics and domestic politicians in this thread as it will lead to derailing and off topic posts.

 

[RescueRanger]

Meanwhile... in Afghanistan 9 people were injured when a taliban fighter walked into a mosque and his grenade accidentally fell and exploded.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

do you learn from your successes or your failures?


RAAA agent saar.

lol what good is endlessly going on about successes, its all Pakistanis see, go anywhere and youll see people talking about it, glossing over, and letting shortcomings slide in exchange for rafail, tandoor, pl15 saar etc, without talking about shortfalls theres no point, you'll stay stagnant while others move on

By the way bro, I just wanted to point out that, Masha'Allah, you are gifted with a great voice. It's like listening to David Attenborough narrating on defence matters.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

1. Okay brother, firstly social media is open to manipulation, internet penetration in tribal areas is low to say the least, so the posts you do read are likely linked to PTM handles which are also operated outside Pakistan.

2. This 50% figure... where did you obtain it because its simply not accurate. We have to be careful when posting comments like 50% of x people want so and so without any independently verifiable informarion.

3. Calling for ethnic cleansing on this website is not allowed, and nor should such comments be condoned.

4. Again the ones spreading Anti-Army propoganda have a "platform" if you conduct even the most rudimentary analysis of who follows, retreats and likes such comments you will see the point of origin.

5. Please dont discuss domestic politics and domestic politicians in this thread as it will lead to derailing and off topic posts.

I must say, offering Pasni port, was a wise move!

given the number of parties and stakes are involved.

1. Chinese with their interest
2. US and Rothschild interests (BLA and TTP) aka CIA


though, this province wont be having infra. development for many years to come!

negotiate universities development with USA and offer mining jobs to locals


TTP and BLA will last, until there are US interests in this region!

 

[ghazi52]

 

[muz]

Since CFV are already happening might as well indefinitely delay return of captured Afghan Border Areas

 

[Silent_fighter]

1. Okay brother, firstly social media is open to manipulation, internet penetration in tribal areas is low to say the least, so the posts you do read are likely linked to PTM handles which are also operated outside Pakistan.

2. This 50% figure... where did you obtain it because its simply not accurate. We have to be careful when posting comments like 50% of x people want so and so without any independently verifiable informarion.

3. Calling for ethnic cleansing on this website is not allowed, and nor should such comments be condoned.

4. Again the ones spreading Anti-Army propoganda have a "platform" if you conduct even the most rudimentary analysis of who follows, retreats and likes such comments you will see the point of origin.

5. Please dont discuss domestic politics and domestic politicians in this thread as it will lead to derailing and off topic posts.

I agree with your most of your point as discussing our internal issue only lead us to more division but when i say 50% i meant any facebook page like Tribal news, Bajaur update, wazirstan news or any comment on Army related post, when we check their profile we can easily know from their time line if these profile are original or fake newly created even comments and emoji on ISPR official facebook page.
What you think will be way forward from here?
What if we make FATA a separate province or make it again an autonomous region like it used to be before? So they can live how they want to live adopt ttp type Shariyya or whatever they want, and stop coming to main land Pakistan without permit. so at least we stop losing our precious souls.

 

[r3alist]

Their 'restraint, diplomacy, response at time and place of our choosing, saar' stance literally resulted in our disadvantage back in May (10 May strikes on our airbases), and it hasn't changed much even in this 'conflict'. The enemy will knock out their teeth, and these monkeys will be chanting the same bullsh1t.

Reconsider why you think one episode will reverse the thinking of the afghans?

In a way, it is a cruel irony, as within this forum it's been mentioned countless times about how the afghan's will play The long game


You see the Afghan thinking may well be that they now have something to do for the next few decades, whereas the Pakistani is hoping for a swift conclusion and commencement of development

 

[Yasser76]

I think we lack the imagination to get out of the talk/fight/talk/fight rut we are stuck in with these animals.

Defence Minister said no return to normal of attacks being tolerated but that seems like what is happening.

We need a bold and swift move. Munir is capable of this. I just really do not know if we are just hoping things get batter or genuinely preparing something massive.

 

[RescueRanger]

I agree with your most of your point as discussing our internal issue only lead us to more division but when i say 50% i meant any facebook page like Tribal news, Bajaur update, wazirstan news or any comment on Army related post, when we check their profile we can easily know from their time line if these profile are original or fake newly created even comments and emoji on ISPR official facebook page.
What you think will be way forward from here?
What if we make FATA a separate province or make it again an autonomous region like it used to be before? So they can live how they want to live adopt ttp type Shariyya or whatever they want, and stop coming to main land Pakistan without permit. so at least we stop losing our precious souls.

1. We must remember that for every false narrative there are multiple voices that dont have the same reach speaking in support of Pakistan and against the Taliban

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2. What is needed in the tribal areas is education, development, jobs and social mobility. These things are vital and promote citizenship and national pride.

4. Due to thr nature of insurgency - unless you cut off the head of the viper before it has a chance to strike, you risk getting bitten.
(I hope you understand this point).

 

[hasssanali8998]

We need a bold and swift move. Munir is capable of this. I just really do not know if we are just hoping things get batter or genuinely preparing something massive.

yeah reading his statements on Afghanistan you would expect a more brutal response from pak military , but it seem like we are afraid of this getting out of hand

 

[RescueRanger]

I think we lack the imagination to get out of the talk/fight/talk/fight rut we are stuck in with these animals.

Defence Minister said no return to normal of attacks being tolerated but that seems like what is happening.

We need a bold and swift move. Munir is capable of this. I just really do not know if we are just hoping things get batter or genuinely preparing something massive.

The scenario that troubles me the most here is that even in a world where diplomatic pressure and economic incentives proved fruitful for IEA to cur ties with the TTP and their splinters, they are now so well and deeply entrenched and linked up with groups such as the resurging AQN in the East of Afghanistan and the ETIM in the north East that the IEA may not be able to put a leash back on.

 

[hasssanali8998]

What is needed in the tribal areas is education,

but jani if people get educated they might start asking questions yk .