Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Pakistanithinktank]

Pakistan needs laser and microwave weapons to prepare for future wars.

 

[Fatman17]

Duplicate thread

 

[Krptonite]

The rationale could be anything from Brahamdagh to RSS - the issue is that either side is so locked in with jingoistic propaganda that the very real damage of things spiraling out of control escapes them.
Regardless of who called Trump first, there is the what if of the outside pressure not being enough.

1. If the leadership in Pakistan dithers and they look like they were defeated they are at risk of a coup

2. If they take extreme foolhardy steps then they are risking nuclear rungs which has no predictable future.

3. The only way this resolves is if the space for political propaganda for military conflict is removed. That cannot be done through creating purely military responses to what are regardless of intended targets civilian casualties. Mutually assured destruction has to be re established otherwise peace cannot be achieved.

Very valid points, but I'd disagree with the third. One aspect of Indian polities thinking is that guerrilla warfare remains ongoing under the umbrella of mutually assured destruction and has become the new normal

Correctly or incorrectly it has reasoned that There either needs to be paradigm shift in how we engage this situation and the resulting actions are borne out of this reasoning

there is no 'both sides' here, the deep seated demonization and hatred is entirely on the Indian Hindu side. Need I remind you it was India who for the first time in indopak history, intentionally bombed civilian areas during wartime and bragged about it later.

Pakistanis are no fans of India but our national politics certainly do not revolve around communalism and hatred for India.

Even if Pakistanis reciprocated a fraction of the hatred Indians spewed towards us, the fact remains that GHQ is less likely to cave in to public opinion than the Indian govt.

You're right, in that islamophobia and divisive rhetoric from the current ruling setup has exponentially increased the demonization and hatred towards our neighbours and it is a problem that must be acknowledged and a more mature thinking is the need of the hour

I'd opine that pakistan too has its share of divisive elements, but I acknowledge, that comparatively speaking, they would be miniscule in proportion to the total

Having said that, it is undeniable, that peace with the other, remains against the interests of the ruling elite on both sides and a constant source of friction. It is also something that is used by the polities to shore up political support from their respective base

 

[Fatman17]

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[Dark-Lord]

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And we will get from Israel.
Israeli tech>>>>>Chinese tech

 

[Fatman17]

And we will get from Israel.
Israeli tech>>>>>Chinese tech

Happy ending for you

 

[PakistaniDefender]

look at trades being made in the Indian stock exchange by Modi’s allies and what movements are his Indian billionaire friends doing.
Then gauge if war is imminent or not

What your analysis says?

 

[arsalan345]

Those aren’t the only aspects to look at.
If you want to see if war is imminent - look at trades being made in the Indian stock exchange by Modi’s allies and what movements are his Indian billionaire friends doing.
Then gauge if war is imminent or not.

I am not an expert in trade. i hate trade topic but you are right. Indian army chief said we will move forward this time and it will not be like sindoor 1. It's clear to me that they have sme kind of ground invason plan. We are facing so many issues this time. Obviously they need something before bihar elections. If they don't do action in this timeframe then december will be the month etc. We can only guess.

Problems that we are facing are too many.

1) how to stop brahmos if they fire too many in the same direction?

2) How to make sure that PAF remain operationl after brahmos strikes?

3) large drone attacks. How to protect airbases from drone attacks? example of perfect execution is ukrainian drone attack where russia lost bombers in large numbers.

4) Glide bombs? takbeer kits, raad and whatever we have, does it actually work over indian airspace?

5) Threat of Indian navy. Placement of sams near gujrat make it more difficult for jf-17s to target indian navy. What are our options if Indian navy makes a move? Our navy is actually nothing infront of indian navy.

6) Quick solution to reach a ceasefire. I don't think that attacking adani business will stop war as india is angry due to 6-0 which is understandable.

7) What if they capture small parts of Pakistan? how to expel them? how to repel blitzkrieg attack?

8) What if we see blockade of karachi? Do we have solutions?

9) silent preparation of india with villages on their side urged to get ready for emergency situation and india even given them weapons to fight. What does all this mean?

10) Why there is no preparation on our side? why it feels more like that we are underestimating india this time?

11) Role of china in future conflict. they helped us a lot previously but now we are coming closer to trump. Question is what are the guarantees? what is United states selling us? as far as i see, they aren't helping us militarily. May be they sell us the narrative that they will help in ceasefire next time. Why lack of visits of army chief to China? There was announcement from government after may conflict that they are buying couple of systems from china. Where are all these systems? where is df-17 and advanced sams from china? We need help from china before india starts attcking us again but there seems to be lack of interest.

 

[Oscar]

What your analysis says?

I really haven’t done any deep dives but I would be curious to where Pakistan is claiming or targeting petrochemical and mineral finds?
And where are the conflicts brewing?
What moves are being made by Indian investors and allies to the government in those fields?

Might find something interesting…

Might not

 

[RescueRanger]

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New Topi Drama from India- police have arrested two men transporting an RPG 22, Indian authorities blame Pakistan for supplying the weapon.

Fun fact... Pakistan doesn't operate the RPG22, India does...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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New Topi Drama from India- police have arrested two men transporting an RPG 22, Indian authorities blame Pakistan for supplying the weapon.

Fun fact... Pakistan doesn't operate the RPG22, India does...
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all about promotions and bonuses!

seems no body is interested in doing good in the society..

 

[PK781]

why don't they just grow a pair and come full-on attack, rather than these shit games and narratives ??

 

[flyingorca]

if Indian bjp backed media says Pakistan is supplying Agni missiles to Kashmirs, people in india will believe it.

 

[Oscar]

I am not an expert in trade. i hate trade topic but you are right. Indian army chief said we will move forward this time and it will not be like sindoor 1. It's clear to me that they have sme kind of ground invason plan. We are facing so many issues this time. Obviously they need something before bihar elections. If they don't do action in this timeframe then december will be the month etc. We can only guess.

Problems that we are facing are too many.

1) how to stop brahmos if they fire too many in the same direction?

2) How to make sure that PAF remain operationl after brahmos strikes?

3) large drone attacks. How to protect airbases from drone attacks? example of perfect execution is ukrainian drone attack where russia lost bombers in large numbers.

4) Glide bombs? takbeer kits, raad and whatever we have, does it actually work over indian airspace?

5) Threat of Indian navy. Placement of sams near gujrat make it more difficult for jf-17s to target indian navy. What are our options if Indian navy makes a move? Our navy is actually nothing infront of indian navy.

6) Quick solution to reach a ceasefire. I don't think that attacking adani business will stop war as india is angry due to 6-0 which is understandable.

7) What if they capture small parts of Pakistan? how to expel them? how to repel blitzkrieg attack?

8) What if we see blockade of karachi? Do we have solutions?

9) silent preparation of india with villages on their side urged to get ready for emergency situation and india even given them weapons to fight. What does all this mean?

10) Why there is no preparation on our side? why it feels more like that we are underestimating india this time?

11) Role of china in future conflict. they helped us a lot previously but now we are coming closer to trump. Question is what are the guarantees? what is United states selling us? as far as i see, they aren't helping us militarily. May be they sell us the narrative that they will help in ceasefire next time. Why lack of visits of army chief to China? There was announcement from government after may conflict that they are buying couple of systems from china. Where are all these systems? where is df-17 and advanced sams from china? We need help from china before india starts attcking us again but there seems to be lack of interest.

1) Buy more layered AD including quick reaction shorads or a Land based CIWS type system. You can detect Brahmos pretty far out but then because of its speed your decision time needs to be very on point.

Also and I am not being humorous - Ya Hayyu ya Qayyum, bi rahmatika astaghith, aslih li shani kullahu, wa la takilni ila nafsi tarfata ‘ayn

2) Depends on what was struck? If Runways you have alternate taxiways and quick repair teams to allow flight ops. But you could see ammo dumps hit, debris on runway that needs clearing - your actual aircraft hit etc. Too wide a question.

3) From the east you have enough EW and now other methods to bring them down. From inside, from trucks laden with drones or quite simply humans as self guided weapons - you have mixed capabilities and quite frankly the outlook isnt that great.

4)Anything can work, depends on scenario -in terms of jamming, in terms of accurate terrain data etc.

5) Those sams near Gujrat were placed recently as well and they were not a huge factor in terms of targeting IN - if anything that SAM was way more vulnerable than what would be acceptable for that system.

6) They have much more in mind, but to the Indian the most important thing isnt actual victory in conflict as an immediate outcome as is public image. Always has, is and will be.

7)If they do manage to capture critical parts you have the option to either launch counter attacks or invoke your red lines. Only if top leadership is willing to give it all up. For some reason India's leadership is now assured that no matter what happens Pakistani leaders no longer have the ability or guts or otherwise - to launch nuclear weapons. That is the most dangerous analysis of this past few years.

8)If the IN is willing to lose two dozen ships or more in making that attempt - sure - your next option is to use alternative supply lines through Gwadar but then your communication lines to Gwadar are purely road based and will also need cover.

9) They are projecting internal political propaganda.

10) Pakistanis foolishly believe too much in "Inshallah" and are generally now apathetic to threat to life because life is cheap. Do you remember the 2005 earthquake? Everyone responded - all talk of proofing buildings, NDMA(which then got embroiled in corruption scandals).
Do you know you still have the fraud metal sticks being used at airports as bomb detectors and no one cares to actually protest it despite knowing they are in danger anytime they go to the airport or other areas?
You think Pakistanis will prepare? They will watch a drone kill them, cry at Phupa killed buying tomatoes - and then Phupa's newly married Nephew will be making two more babies that same evening.

11) The Chinese will protect any investment they deem worthy but wont cut their own hand off to save anything they see as a black hole.

 

[PK781]

1) Buy more layered AD including quick reaction shorads or a Land based CIWS type system. You can detect Brahmos pretty far out but then because of its speed your decision time needs to be very on point.

Also and I am not being humorous - Ya Hayyu ya Qayyum, bi rahmatika astaghith, aslih li shani kullahu, wa la takilni ila nafsi tarfata ‘ayn

2) Depends on what was struck? If Runways you have alternate taxiways and quick repair teams to allow flight ops. But you could see ammo dumps hit, debris on runway that needs clearing - your actual aircraft hit etc. Too wide a question.

3) From the east you have enough EW and now other methods to bring them down. From inside, from trucks laden with drones or quite simply humans as self guided weapons - you have mixed capabilities and quite frankly the outlook isnt that great.

4)Anything can work, depends on scenario -in terms of jamming, in terms of accurate terrain data etc.

5) Those sams near Gujrat were placed recently as well and they were not a huge factor in terms of targeting IN - if anything that SAM was way more vulnerable than what would be acceptable for that system.

6) They have much more in mind, but to the Indian the most important thing isnt actual victory in conflict as an immediate outcome as is public image. Always has, is and will be.

7)If they do manage to capture critical parts you have the option to either launch counter attacks or invoke your red lines. Only if top leadership is willing to give it all up. For some reason India's leadership is now assured that no matter what happens Pakistani leaders no longer have the ability or guts or otherwise - to launch nuclear weapons. That is the most dangerous analysis of this past few years.

8)If the IN is willing to lose two dozen ships or more in making that attempt - sure - your next option is to use alternative supply lines through Gwadar but then your communication lines to Gwadar are purely road based and will also need cover.

9) They are projecting internal political propaganda.

10) Pakistanis foolishly believe too much in "Inshallah" and are generally now apathetic to threat to life because life is cheap. Do you remember the 2005 earthquake? Everyone responded - all talk of proofing buildings, NDMA(which then got embroiled in corruption scandals).
Do you know you still have the fraud metal sticks being used at airports as bomb detectors and no one cares to actually protest it despite knowing they are in danger anytime they go to the airport or other areas?
You think Pakistanis will prepare? They will watch a drone kill them, cry at Phupa killed buying tomatoes - and then Phupa's newly married Nephew will be making two more babies that same evening.

11) The Chinese will protect any investment they deem worthy but wont cut their own hand off to save anything they see as a black hole.

in the previous op we were really saved by PAF which spear-headed the action and set things rolling and in our favor. PAF will always do that.

Question remains on the timid, almost-cowardly cuck behaviour of our GHQ old babas who think too much of the duniya and their accumulated worldly assets, green cards and villas and etc. They truly seem oblivious as to how the world is changing rapidy and that their dreams of western retirements may not materialize given the economic downturns in the west which are a trainwreck level now (the decline in everything), our babas have tunnel vision and still think they're living in the 80's era.
Any losses or failures will really be on the army generals and their timid, cowardly and unwillingness to escalate things.

What concerns me and most of us here is the so-called restraints, and the willingness to bow to any external phonecalls from certain countries. Same with our cowardly politicians who got no balls to escalate or take the challenge. This will be our biggest tribulation
We'll win at the end, but the cost will/may be huge, unfortunately