PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

While on the subject of air defense including EW - this should be concerning because Russia would pass this info on.
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How do you tackle this @Signalian @Quwa
Interesting development.

To counter it, theoretically 3-4 ways come to mind.

1. Directional jamming
Use phased-array antennas with high-gain beamforming to concentrate RF energy (achieving 20-30+ dB directional gain) directly at the R500 missile guidance, effectively creating power density ratios that overwhelm the CRPA's spatial filtering capabilities through sheer signal strength rather than numerical parity (instead of using 16 vs 16 in theory).

2. GPS spoofing
Exploit the fundamental vulnerability that ground-based transmitters possess orders of magnitude more power than satellite signals at receiver level (-130 dBm typical), enabling signal meaconing(interception and rebroadcast of navigation signals), or seamless takeover techniques where false navigation solutions are injected that the CRPA accepts as legitimate since they can mimic proper satellite geometry and correlation properties, effectively bypassing rather than overpowering the anti-jam features.

Will code-phase manipulation help ?

3. Multi-layered defense architectures
Implement cascaded countermeasures across the engagement timeline:
1. Standoff noise jamming for early-phase degradation,
2. Mid-course spoofing for trajectory deviation,
3. High-power close-in denial jamming in terminal phase,
4. Kinetic intercept as final backup

All this with network-centric coordination between ESM/ELINT sensors, electronic attack assets, and hard-kill systems to dynamically allocate resources and maximize cumulative probability through complementary effects rather than relying on any single defeat mechanism.

The article also mentioned, Terrain contour matching (TERCOM) - as core guidance which works by comparing the missile's altimeter readings of ground elevation with a pre-loaded digital terrain map to correct navigation drift so,
if possible:
1. Alter terrain profiles near critical targets (berms, excavation, artificial features)
2. Create false elevation signatures that corrupt correlation algorithms.
 
I posted about this before in one of the threads, but L3Harris Technologies which is the developer of counter UAV system called Vampire, has now introduced its six new variants with enhanced detection systems, precision guided munitions and EW systems (AI is also incorporated to accelerate target detection and improve engagement). The Vampire system has a proven combat record in Ukraine and L3Harris markets it as a cost-effective solution against unmanned aerial systems. The main munition used in Vampire is the APKWS II, "which takes an unguided 70mm rocket and turns it into a precision weapon via a laser seeker guidance section, a control unit that homes in on the spot generated by a laser designator, and a proximity fuze." (Source: TWZ). This munition is paired with an electro optical/infrared (EO/IR) stabilized targeting system mounted on a telescopic mast.

But L3Harris has stated that the newest variants will also incorporate other munitions as well.

There original Vampire system was mounted on a truck, and I believe in the context of PA, they can develop such systems that can be easily mounted on Toyota Hilux, which will be cost-effective and maneuverable across cities and mountainous zone of operations to counter drones.

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Hi.
Posting after a very long time.
For terminal air defence against low flying drones, missiles ( e.g. brahmos which have passed through other defensive tiers)

PAF should look at older but very cheap solutions as well. One is helium filled barrage balloons with inter winding steel cables. It could very much stop or at least complicate the precise hitting of target.

Good day
 
There is open source videos available a missile hiting the base (hit the target or not i dont know) surely it's not 100% interception
all i know nothing was hit no runaway no support building sure it may have landed on a field nearby because of soft kill methods , just like it it did at nur khan base
 
Interesting development.

To counter it, theoretically 3-4 ways come to mind.

1. Directional jamming
Use phased-array antennas with high-gain beamforming to concentrate RF energy (achieving 20-30+ dB directional gain) directly at the R500 missile guidance, effectively creating power density ratios that overwhelm the CRPA's spatial filtering capabilities through sheer signal strength rather than numerical parity (instead of using 16 vs 16 in theory).

2. GPS spoofing
Exploit the fundamental vulnerability that ground-based transmitters possess orders of magnitude more power than satellite signals at receiver level (-130 dBm typical), enabling signal meaconing(interception and rebroadcast of navigation signals), or seamless takeover techniques where false navigation solutions are injected that the CRPA accepts as legitimate since they can mimic proper satellite geometry and correlation properties, effectively bypassing rather than overpowering the anti-jam features.

Will code-phase manipulation help ?

3. Multi-layered defense architectures
Implement cascaded countermeasures across the engagement timeline:
1. Standoff noise jamming for early-phase degradation,
2. Mid-course spoofing for trajectory deviation,
3. High-power close-in denial jamming in terminal phase,
4. Kinetic intercept as final backup

All this with network-centric coordination between ESM/ELINT sensors, electronic attack assets, and hard-kill systems to dynamically allocate resources and maximize cumulative probability through complementary effects rather than relying on any single defeat mechanism.

The article also mentioned, Terrain contour matching (TERCOM) - as core guidance which works by comparing the missile's altimeter readings of ground elevation with a pre-loaded digital terrain map to correct navigation drift so,
if possible:
1. Alter terrain profiles near critical targets (berms, excavation, artificial features)
2. Create false elevation signatures that corrupt correlation algorithms.
I think core challenges would be providing enough jamming sources around key sites so that any such systems are overwhelmed.

The flipside is that this could be applied against Pakistan as well. Then comes the question of costs - not purely for Ad purposes but adding on all these missile or uav systems such as Terprom or image recognition adds to cost of systems.
 
All paf SAMs failed to stopped indian missiles in may
so the clear cut wreckage of the storm shadow lying outisde of sarghoda AB is fake?
our sam bubble is very small..thus loopholes to exploit..you cant stop barrages of supersonic cruise missiles by some hq9b(lower in number) and hq16s(very heavy in weight so not agile enough).....while comrabale india has the barak8,s400,qrsam,akash,spyder etc....comparing pakistani AD to indian AD is a shitshow and takibg the performance of this AD bubble and undermine chinese AD systems is a shitshow too...all in AD is what matters is density and reaction times
 
I posted about this before in one of the threads, but L3Harris Technologies which is the developer of counter UAV system called Vampire, has now introduced its six new variants with enhanced detection systems, precision guided munitions and EW systems (AI is also incorporated to accelerate target detection and improve engagement). The Vampire system has a proven combat record in Ukraine and L3Harris markets it as a cost-effective solution against unmanned aerial systems. The main munition used in Vampire is the APKWS II, "which takes an unguided 70mm rocket and turns it into a precision weapon via a laser seeker guidance section, a control unit that homes in on the spot generated by a laser designator, and a proximity fuze." (Source: TWZ). This munition is paired with an electro optical/infrared (EO/IR) stabilized targeting system mounted on a telescopic mast.

But L3Harris has stated that the newest variants will also incorporate other munitions as well.

There original Vampire system was mounted on a truck, and I believe in the context of PA, they can develop such systems that can be easily mounted on Toyota Hilux, which will be cost-effective and maneuverable across cities and mountainous zone of operations to counter drones.

VAMPIRE™
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@arslank01


sir, can this solve our Brahmos SSCM problem?!!


could IR seeker, be the answer to SSCM?!!

IDK
 
actually, he could be right!

bec. there are two SAM jurisdictions in our country!

with grey demarcation of resp!


source: trust me bro!


so dont take my words seriously!

I only listen to youtube
 

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