Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Iran took a gamble leaving it there. It might still be accessible, just takes time.

If they had moved it and it got intercepted, everybody here would be calling them retards and asking why bother building a 60 meter deep underground facility only to take it out and lose it.

So they kept it inside, the B2s possible penetrated all the way. Now we are criticizing because they left it there.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

or not damned if you don't build vertical ventilation shafts

 

[ToddE]

well before the war Iran has enriching uranium and had access to HEU

now neither of these things are true

I for one have a hard time believing that HEU was not moved to some other place before attack, either as a precaution or US informed them through back channels of incoming strike. The way Trump was thanking everyone including IRI and IRGC did a cosmetic strike on Qatar, it all felt just way too much scripted.

I too want to take things at face value without evidence suggesting otherwise but world does not work that way.

 

[Eşbah]

I for one have a hard time believing that HEU was not moved to some other place before attack, either as a precaution or US informed them through back channels of incoming strike. The way Trump was thanking everyone including IRI and IRGC did a cosmetic strike on Qatar, it all felt just way too much scripted.

I too want to take things at face value without evidence suggesting otherwise but world does not work that way.

Why would the US inform the Iranian leadership of incoming strikes? In what reality does that make sense?

 

[Shafagh]

or not damned if you don't build vertical ventilation shafts

That is a f***ing catastrophic design oversight. It infuriates me that all this money was spent to make something impervious just for it to be completely compromised through such a simple Achilles Heel.

Every day Its just bad news after bad news and endless stupidity that's taking a toll on my mental health.

Day by day im just growing more and more furious about this whole situation.

 

[mangekyo]

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[Persian Gulf]

I for one have a hard time believing that HEU was not moved to some other place before attack, either as a precaution or US informed them through back channels of incoming strike. The way Trump was thanking everyone including IRI and IRGC did a cosmetic strike on Qatar, it all felt just way too much scripted.

I too want to take things at face value without evidence suggesting otherwise but world does not work that way.

this is in the conspiracy theory / copium realm where IRI supporters create stories of secret deals to cope better with reality.

they killed Soleimani and Muhandis (with other IRGC generals) but you think they won't hit Fordow without warning us first?

 

[Khanivore]

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[ToddE]

Why would the US inform the Iranian leadership of incoming strikes? In what reality does that make sense?

You fell for Ayatollah's game. History of IRI and US joint dealings:

- Iran-Contra Affairs, US heavy military transfers to IRI despite embargo (Historical fact)
- US sat images of Iraqi armor provided to Land forces of IRI (CIA declassified reports)
- Afghanistan Offensive, IRGC + US SF joint raids on Taliban (known fact)
- US and IRI intelligences cooperation in detaining Al Qaeda operatives (CIA declassified reports)
- Obama allowed critical parts of fighter jets to IRI (Published Journalistic claim)
- IRIAF and USAF joint operation against ISIS (Published report)
- US allowing IRGCAF strikes on US bases in Iraq (Trump claim)

There is more but I will suggest someone interested to read two books (1) Treacherous Alliances by Trita Parsi on Secret dealigs of US, IRI, Israel (2) Twilight war by David Crist)

 

[ToddE]

this is in the conspiracy theory / copium realm where IRI supporters create stories of secret deals to cope better with reality.

From the perspective of common sense, it just does not makes any sense to me that how can someone be chimp level stupid that they are facing real threat of American Stealth Bombers bombing their most valuable asset yet they will still keep that asset right where everyone knows its placed to be targeted ? Either we have to believe that IRI decision makers are neurologically retarded or they moved it somewhere else.

they killed Soleimani and Muhandis (with other IRGC generals) but you think they won't hit Fordow without warning us first?

US killed Soleimani only, nobody else from IRI. Israel and US are separate entities at strategic level at-least. AIPAC fuels congress but US deep state exists and looks for its own otherwise Israel would not even need a military of its own. There are many instances where US showed no interest in helping Israel physically, countering Iran is one of these areas where US has showed little to no interest in containing Iranian military expansion despite years and years of chimpouts by Jews. If we remove Soleimani's illegal assassination, what actual steps have ever been taken by US to inhibit IRI's military ?

 

[mangekyo]

From the perspective of common sense, it just does not makes any sense to me that how can someone be chimp level stupid that they are facing real threat of American Stealth Bombers bombing their most valuable asset yet they will still keep that asset right where everyone knows its placed to be targeted ? Either we have to believe that IRI decision makers are neurologically retarded or they moved it somewhere else.

When has IRI ever acted with common sense?

Trump’s own military advisers reportedly doubted their ability to penetrate Fordow, and some strongly advised against attempting it. At least, that’s the version of events we were told, though it’s possible the narrative was meant to throw IRI off balance.

Still, it’s entirely plausible IRI believed it was safer to keep the highly enriched uranium hidden rather than risk exposing it during transport. What also seems likely is that they never anticipated IAF conducting sorties over the entire country for twelve consecutive days let alone the US joining the bombing campaign.

And maybe the miscalculation came from their own propaganda. After years of threatening to wipe Tel Aviv and Haifa, and leveling all US bases in the region, insisting no one would dare touch them, they might have started believing their own myths of invincibility.

 

[ToddE]

When has IRI ever acted with common sense?

Trump’s own military advisers reportedly doubted their ability to penetrate Fordow, and some strongly advised against attempting it. At least, that’s the version of events we were told, though it’s possible the narrative was meant to throw IRI off balance.

Still, it’s entirely plausible IRI believed it was safer to keep the highly enriched uranium hidden rather than risk exposing it during transport. What also seems likely is that they never anticipated IAF conducting sorties over the entire country for twelve consecutive days let alone the US joining the bombing campaign.

And maybe the miscalculation came from their own propaganda. After years of threatening to wipe Tel Aviv and Haifa, and leveling all US bases in the region, insisting no one would dare touch them, they might have started believing their own myths of invincibility.

So the neurological retardness hypothesis is true ? No basic survival instinct present in these people.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Afghanistan Offensive, IRGC + US SF joint raids on Taliban

what?? can you give sources

 

[kastor ville]

Bro Pepe Escober is solid? By saying this you are putting at risk ur own solidity. No offense

Ahh, I call bullshit.
The government is shutdown in the US. Israel has not received any more THAAD missiles to replenish supplies.
Israel is busy with the Gaza ceasefire.......so, I don't see it!

 

[FUB]

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[That_Guy]

Everyone is free to have their opinion, but not their own facts. We will let Pepe's resume speak for itself.

• 2004 – Foreign Correspondent Recognition – Rede Globo (Brazil)
• 2006 – International Journalism Fellowship – Dag Hammarskjöld Foundation
• 2012 – Distinguished Global Analyst Award – Asia Times
• 2015 – Outstanding Global Commentary Award – RT (Russia Today)
• 2021 – Eurasia Geopolitics Contributor Award – The Cradle
• 2022 – Global South Media Excellence Recognition – Press TV
• 2023 – Lifetime Achievement in Geopolitical Analysis – Global Research (Canada)
• BOOKS BY PEPE ESCOBAR:
  Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (2007)
  Red Zone Blues: A Snapshot of Baghdad During the Surge (2007)
  Obama Does Globalistan (2009)
  Empire of Chaos (2014)
  2030 (2015) – Fiction novel
• He has also written thousands of geopolitical columns for:
  Asia Times
  Sputnik
  RT
  The Cradle
  Consortium News
  Global Research

He is not a fan of Israel or the war criminals. He does not get invited to the Vampire's Ball. I have been reading his articles for over 20 years. His articles are frequently posted on ZeroHedge, which has as many monthly visitors as Bloomberg.

Yeah, that entire list actually proves why you SHOULDNT take him seriously.

Fake news site:
Asia Times
Global Research
Consortium News

State owned propaganda sites known for pushing false narratives:

Sputnik (Ru)
RT (Ru)
The Cradle (Ir)