Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Their policies clearly contradict national interests and public welfare. They are either just retards like you say, acting under foreign orders, or both. But I’ve seen enough to believe that many of these decisions don’t originate from within the country.

My own theory is same. This is a highly stupid/illiterate group that originated as Marxists (KGB backed) and Islamists (western backed), both from the bottom of Iranian society. They keep getting fooled by other countries because they lack general understanding of the world hence we see failure after failure and dancing at tunes of foriegn powers.

 

[ToddE]

that's not true:

The IRGC said a total of ten people were killed. Along with Soleimani, four other IRGC officers were also killed: Brigadier General Hossein Pourjafari, Colonel Shahroud Mozafarinia, Major Hadi Taremi and Captain Vahid Zamanian

Thats one single strike aimed at Soleimani, these names were collateral and nothing else. Fact remains that except for Soleimani, US has never really killed or actually attacked IRI officials even with AIPAC grip on congress.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Thats one single strike aimed at Soleimani, these names were collateral and nothing else. Fact remains that except for Soleimani, US has never really killed or actually attacked IRI officials even with AIPAC grip on congress.

an Iranian brigadier general being killed by the US would be significant news back in my day

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Falcon29]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

no shit Russia has better military industrial capacity than Iran

Russia is using drones against a direct land neighbour not a tiny protected country 1500km away separated by 4-5 Arab nations in the middle who act as Israel's extended air defence and give their air space to the US and France and UK to also act as Israel's extended air defence

 

[ToddE]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

-Russia and Ukraine share border, centers of Iran and Israel are separated by around ~2000 KM.
- Drone fired from Iran has to fight through air spaces of Israeli pet Sheikhdom (s) to reach Israel. Remember KSA providing intel and Jordan actually shooting them to save Israel.
- USN fleet in Persian Gulf and AD assets Iraq/Jordan + SATs in space above provides EW to layered Israeli AD the moment any thing is launched from Iran.
- A conventional Ballistic missile has difficulty fighting through this much layers of resistance let alone a Kamikaze Drone. Still IRGCAF scoring hits after hits is nothing but a miracle on its own.

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

Head start of 100 years of having a Military Industrial complex compared to 25 years old one of IRI.

 

[ToddE]

IRI has little or no capacity to confront USN but forces have targeted Israeli ships before in same area through different means which led to them stopping the attacks.

I am noticing something funny about Jews. They act like mad dogs and bullies but as soon as someone kicks back hard they nod to a halt quickly. If anyone remembers, IRGCAF struck their Bazan Oil Field (15 June) the very next day they hit South pars Gas field (14 June). After this they never hit any Iranian Hydrocarbon field again despite threatening to hit Kharg.

Iran should immediately retreat from confronting US and Israel and look inwards but without US support (cash, weapons, military support, lobbies), Israel is multi-fold weaker than it appears. Just an observation.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Falcon29]

-Russia and Ukraine share border, centers of Iran and Israel are separated by around ~2000 KM.
- Drone fired from Iran has to fight through air spaces of Israeli pet Sheikhdom (s) to reach Israel. Remember KSA providing intel and Jordan actually shooting them to save Israel.
- USN fleet in Persian Gulf and AD assets Iraq/Jordan + SATs in space above provides EW to layered Israeli AD the moment any thing is launched from Iran.
- A conventional Ballistic missile has difficulty fighting through this much layers of resistance let alone a Kamikaze Drone. Still IRGCAF scoring hits after hits is nothing but a miracle on its own.

I know all of this, but Iran provided Russia with the tech transfer but also helped put together production lines for production. At a point I could've sworn many thousands of them were also built in Iran then exported to Russia as part of the deal. Ukraine is also a large country, they still have to travel a distance from Russia.

Does Iran get anything from Russia in return? Technology they used to improve the drone and make it better? Air defense systems, jets? I never actually seen any modern Russian equipment used by Iran.

I'm confused how Iran contributed to production line for Russia (at least 5,000 units in one year) but only had about 1,000 of them to use against Israel during the 12-day war? Which is still impressive considering the distance.

But why can't get they get help from Russia to help develop an improved industrial capacity to build many more of these drones? Because they clearly need many of them.

Russia's GDP is 4x that of Iran's. It's seemingly able to produce 50,000 of these drones a year. While Iran is producing a 1,000 or so a year.

Russia's military spending is reported to be around 3-5 times that of Iran's.

Head start of 100 years of having a Military Industrial complex compared to 25 years old one of IRI.

Without a doubt

 

[ToddE]

I know all of this, but Iran provided Russia with the tech transfer but also helped put together production lines for production. At a point I could've sworn many thousands of them were also built in Iran then exported to Russia as part of the deal. Ukraine is also a large country, they still have to travel a distance from Russia.

Ukraine-Russia distance is nothing compared to distance between Israel and Iran. Also Ukrainian AD got no superpower providing EW from within Russia at the time of launch (USN + AD assets +SATs). Ukraine also has no layers and layers of controlled air-spaces of aligned countries in between. Incomparable cases.

Does Iran get anything from Russia in return? Technology they used to improve the drone and make it better? Air defense systems, jets? I never actually seen any modern Russian equipment used by Iran.

No. Russia and Iranian military cooperation is minimal despite how it seems from outside.

I'm confused how Iran contributed to production line for Russia (at least 5,000 units in one year) but only had about 1,000 of them to use against Israel during the 12-day war? Which is still impressive considering the distance.

Nobody knows how many of these IRI posses. Also its a family of drones not just one. Shahed-131, Shahed-136, Shahed-238 (Turbojet powered with passive seekers), Shahed-136 (B) capable of ICBM like range.

Wasting them on Israel would be a retarded move considering the problems I have already explained. Despite the range, its a weapon for bordering conflicts to take out enemy high value targets or saturate air defence, waste enemy interceptor missiles etc. Not suited for long range where enemy knows where they are coming from.

But why can't get they get help from Russia to help develop an improved industrial capacity to build many more of these drones? Because they clearly need many of them.

Russia and Iran have minimal military cooperation. Thick majority of Iranian weapons are locally produced.

Russia's GDP is 4x that of Iran's. It's seemingly able to produce 50,000 of these drones a year. While Iran is producing a 1,000 or so a year.

Nobody knows how many Iran produces or posses..

Russia's military spending is reported to be around 3-5 times that of Iran's.

Russia is a military superpower that looks for its own interests. IRI is a Islamo-marxist system that wasted 500+ Billion USD of Iranian nation on un-necessary confrontation with US/EU/NATO/Israel.

Without a doubt

There you go.

 

[FUB]

 

[muhammed45]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

Russia is not facing NATO airforce stationed right at its borders. USA plus UK, France and a couple of NATO countries fly fighter jets in Syria, Iraq, Jordan right before Iranian attack on Israel.

Iran os capable of firing hundreds of drones at Israel but it will be waste of resources because of a couple of reasons. American coaltion jets including F-15-35-16 and Raphales can fly over 250 jets over Syria, Iraq and Jordan and Israel.

American radars stationed at Qatar, KSA and Kuwait allows them to easily detect flying drones towards Israel and send data to coalition airforce jets.

Ukraine is a total joke compared to what Iran faces at its western, southern and northern boundary borders. US radar assets in Incerlik airbase of Turkey provide coaltion fighter jets with valuable data about Iranian activities also.

Comparing Ukraine that lacks land attack capability, lacks cruise missiles and ALBM is out of naviety or an intentional act to undermine Iranian capabilities.

When Israel began to attack Iran, USAF aerial refuelers were flying non stop all around the world.

Russia does not face that amount of firepower at its borders.

Israel enjoys endless financial support and high end technology of the globe provided by Western countries.

Its not easy to guide drones to Israel when USA and coalition supports them from the ground, air and sea.

 

[mangekyo]

But why can't get they get help from Russia to help develop an improved industrial capacity to build many more of these drones? Because they clearly need many of them.

Because Russia is pro-Israel

 

[Ali_Baba]

You have to assume right now, those manufacturing constraints have, or are being removed such there is greater capacity to deal with down the road