Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

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yikes. he is very brave to make a statement like this.

even if Israel flies over Iranian skies at will with MALE drones again, he will probably not lose his job, so I guess why not.

To digress for a moment;

How come some uniforms have. Different colour camouflage on the collar?

 

[mangekyo]

So the neurological retardness hypothesis is true ? No basic survival instinct present in these people.

Their policies clearly contradict national interests and public welfare. They are either just retards like you say, acting under foreign orders, or both. But I’ve seen enough to believe that many of these decisions don’t originate from within the country.

 

[FUB]

RT is LITERALLY owned by the Russian state, it is by definition state propaganda. Besides, if you expect the Russians to tell you the truth, then you deserve all the consequences of that, especially since Russia has a history of lying to Iran.

Also, CNN/MSNBC/WAPO/NYT/FOXNEWS are all privately owned, but are all trash and push false narratives, aka fake news.

BBC is also state propaganda, owned by the UK government.

No, i don't frequent reddit. No, I'm not gonna tell you to go listen to Iran International or Hayom, or BBC Farsi, why would I do that?

I'm consistent in my criticisms.

How about asking me about my biases, before judging me?

I am not judging you.
Pepe writes about the Global South or global majority and he is not a fan of the empire; he explicitly states that. The point of my post was that he is connected and if he is writing that Iranian militay is in war ready posture, then that most probably is the case. He was invited to NY along with a few others to have a meeting with Pezeshkian. He was invited to Yemen and met the leadership before the US war with Yemen. As for RT, It does not matter if RT is official voice of the Russian government. At this point, the Russians have a lot more credibility that the West. If you ever watch the shows on RT, you see that they are more objective that all of the Western news outlet combined.

I live here. I went down the black rabbit hole over the last ten years. Everything here is fake. Jeffery Epstein was not a math genious and investment banker. He was a mossad agent playing the part. Mark Zuckerberg, I am sure some here will lose their shit, did not create Facebook. It is a see eye ay operation. He is acting the part. All you need to do is look at Palantir. Another three letter agency creation. I am sure in a few years we will hear Alex Karp, and Peter Thiel are philanthropists.

 

[That_Guy]

I am not judging you.
Pepe writes about the Global South or global majority and he is not a fan of the empire; he explicitly states that. The point of my post was that he is connected and if he is writing that Iranian militay is in war ready posture, then that most probably is the case. He was invited to NY along with a few others to have a meeting with Pezeshkian. He was invited to Yemen and met the leadership before the US war with Yemen. As for RT, It does not matter if RT is official voice of the Russian government. At this point, the Russians have a lot more credibility that the West. If you ever watch the shows on RT, you see that they are more objective that all of the Western news outlet combined.

I live here. I went down the black rabbit hole over the last ten years. Everything here is fake. Jeffery Epstein was not a math genious and investment banker. He was a mossad agent playing the part. Mark Zuckerberg, I am sure some here will lose their shit, did not create Facebook. It is a see eye ay operation. He is acting the part. All you need to do is look at Palantir. Another three letter agency creation. I am sure in a few years we will hear Alex Karp, and Peter Thiel are philanthropists.

He is the tool of an empire, in particular the Russian empire.

That's all ill say on the matter. He cannot and should not be trusted, and has been frequently wrong.

 

[ToddE]

Their policies clearly contradict national interests and public welfare. They are either just retards like you say, acting under foreign orders, or both. But I’ve seen enough to believe that many of these decisions don’t originate from within the country.

My own theory is same. This is a highly stupid/illiterate group that originated as Marxists (KGB backed) and Islamists (western backed), both from the bottom of Iranian society. They keep getting fooled by other countries because they lack general understanding of the world hence we see failure after failure and dancing at tunes of foriegn powers.

 

[ToddE]

that's not true:

The IRGC said a total of ten people were killed. Along with Soleimani, four other IRGC officers were also killed: Brigadier General Hossein Pourjafari, Colonel Shahroud Mozafarinia, Major Hadi Taremi and Captain Vahid Zamanian

Thats one single strike aimed at Soleimani, these names were collateral and nothing else. Fact remains that except for Soleimani, US has never really killed or actually attacked IRI officials even with AIPAC grip on congress.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Thats one single strike aimed at Soleimani, these names were collateral and nothing else. Fact remains that except for Soleimani, US has never really killed or actually attacked IRI officials even with AIPAC grip on congress.

an Iranian brigadier general being killed by the US would be significant news back in my day

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Falcon29]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

no shit Russia has better military industrial capacity than Iran

Russia is using drones against a direct land neighbour not a tiny protected country 1500km away separated by 4-5 Arab nations in the middle who act as Israel's extended air defence and give their air space to the US and France and UK to also act as Israel's extended air defence

 

[ToddE]

So did Russia improve your own drones? Is Russia able to manufacture more than Iran can? Why weren't these used against Israel? Russian ones seem to have more explosive power.

Russia in many occasions fired large salvos, even up 728 in one night in Ukraine. Why can't Iran do that with Israel?

-Russia and Ukraine share border, centers of Iran and Israel are separated by around ~2000 KM.
- Drone fired from Iran has to fight through air spaces of Israeli pet Sheikhdom (s) to reach Israel. Remember KSA providing intel and Jordan actually shooting them to save Israel.
- USN fleet in Persian Gulf and AD assets Iraq/Jordan + SATs in space above provides EW to layered Israeli AD the moment any thing is launched from Iran.
- A conventional Ballistic missile has difficulty fighting through this much layers of resistance let alone a Kamikaze Drone. Still IRGCAF scoring hits after hits is nothing but a miracle on its own.

Russians engines + guidance systems + explosive material all seem better.

Head start of 100 years of having a Military Industrial complex compared to 25 years old one of IRI.

 

[ToddE]

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IRI has little or no capacity to confront USN but forces have targeted Israeli ships before in same area through different means which led to them stopping the attacks.

I am noticing something funny about Jews. They act like mad dogs and bullies but as soon as someone kicks back hard they nod to a halt quickly. If anyone remembers, IRGCAF struck their Bazan Oil Field (15 June) the very next day they hit South pars Gas field (14 June). After this they never hit any Iranian Hydrocarbon field again despite threatening to hit Kharg.

Iran should immediately retreat from confronting US and Israel and look inwards but without US support (cash, weapons, military support, lobbies), Israel is multi-fold weaker than it appears. Just an observation.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Falcon29]

-Russia and Ukraine share border, centers of Iran and Israel are separated by around ~2000 KM.
- Drone fired from Iran has to fight through air spaces of Israeli pet Sheikhdom (s) to reach Israel. Remember KSA providing intel and Jordan actually shooting them to save Israel.
- USN fleet in Persian Gulf and AD assets Iraq/Jordan + SATs in space above provides EW to layered Israeli AD the moment any thing is launched from Iran.
- A conventional Ballistic missile has difficulty fighting through this much layers of resistance let alone a Kamikaze Drone. Still IRGCAF scoring hits after hits is nothing but a miracle on its own.

I know all of this, but Iran provided Russia with the tech transfer but also helped put together production lines for production. At a point I could've sworn many thousands of them were also built in Iran then exported to Russia as part of the deal. Ukraine is also a large country, they still have to travel a distance from Russia.

Does Iran get anything from Russia in return? Technology they used to improve the drone and make it better? Air defense systems, jets? I never actually seen any modern Russian equipment used by Iran.

I'm confused how Iran contributed to production line for Russia (at least 5,000 units in one year) but only had about 1,000 of them to use against Israel during the 12-day war? Which is still impressive considering the distance.

But why can't get they get help from Russia to help develop an improved industrial capacity to build many more of these drones? Because they clearly need many of them.

Russia's GDP is 4x that of Iran's. It's seemingly able to produce 50,000 of these drones a year. While Iran is producing a 1,000 or so a year.

Russia's military spending is reported to be around 3-5 times that of Iran's.

Head start of 100 years of having a Military Industrial complex compared to 25 years old one of IRI.

Without a doubt

 

[ToddE]

I know all of this, but Iran provided Russia with the tech transfer but also helped put together production lines for production. At a point I could've sworn many thousands of them were also built in Iran then exported to Russia as part of the deal. Ukraine is also a large country, they still have to travel a distance from Russia.

Ukraine-Russia distance is nothing compared to distance between Israel and Iran. Also Ukrainian AD got no superpower providing EW from within Russia at the time of launch (USN + AD assets +SATs). Ukraine also has no layers and layers of controlled air-spaces of aligned countries in between. Incomparable cases.

Does Iran get anything from Russia in return? Technology they used to improve the drone and make it better? Air defense systems, jets? I never actually seen any modern Russian equipment used by Iran.

No. Russia and Iranian military cooperation is minimal despite how it seems from outside.

I'm confused how Iran contributed to production line for Russia (at least 5,000 units in one year) but only had about 1,000 of them to use against Israel during the 12-day war? Which is still impressive considering the distance.

Nobody knows how many of these IRI posses. Also its a family of drones not just one. Shahed-131, Shahed-136, Shahed-238 (Turbojet powered with passive seekers), Shahed-136 (B) capable of ICBM like range.

Wasting them on Israel would be a retarded move considering the problems I have already explained. Despite the range, its a weapon for bordering conflicts to take out enemy high value targets or saturate air defence, waste enemy interceptor missiles etc. Not suited for long range where enemy knows where they are coming from.

But why can't get they get help from Russia to help develop an improved industrial capacity to build many more of these drones? Because they clearly need many of them.

Russia and Iran have minimal military cooperation. Thick majority of Iranian weapons are locally produced.

Russia's GDP is 4x that of Iran's. It's seemingly able to produce 50,000 of these drones a year. While Iran is producing a 1,000 or so a year.

Nobody knows how many Iran produces or posses..

Russia's military spending is reported to be around 3-5 times that of Iran's.

Russia is a military superpower that looks for its own interests. IRI is a Islamo-marxist system that wasted 500+ Billion USD of Iranian nation on un-necessary confrontation with US/EU/NATO/Israel.

Without a doubt

There you go.