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It is funny, whenever the Brits and BAE name potential new partners they never mention India, only Canada, Germany and Saudi. It is literally only Indian press naming India.

I guess most countries know having any reliance on India or HAL in any project is a receipe for disaster and they will end up haggling over tiny issues as Indians do by nature, and India has no tech to share.

If they have cash rich partners in line, there is no incentive at all to partner with India

GE may have been pushed into this deal by the American government as part of Quad and India's role in the "Indo-Pacific" region to build up India's military capability against China.

Sindoor showed how ineffective India is against a country that operates Chinese technology, let alone demonstrate that they "could" be effective against Chine.

India's geo-strategic role has taken a dive and crashed and burned.

Given that the "Indo-Pacific" has now been renamed to the ""Pacific" region, and the Quad is basically dead and India has no geo-strategic role in the middle east(Pakistan has taken that successfully recently) then there is no real push from the American Government on GE to push this deal through.

GE are obviously not happy with any transfer of technology as they prefer India as with any client, to be an off the the shelf customer, so hiking the price x3 is another way of saying this is "over" and for India to "get real" ..

The French are even more protective of their technology than the Americans.
 
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GE may have been pushed into this deal by the American goverment as part of Quad and india's role in the "Indo-Pacific" region.

Given that the "Indo-Pacific" has now been renamed to the ""Pacific" region, and the Quad is basically dead and India has not geo-strategic role in the middle east(Pakistan has taken that successfully) and no role in East Asia ("Indo-Pacific") then there is no real push from the American Goverment on GE to push this deal through. GE are obviously not happy with any transfer of technology as they prefer India to be a off the the shelf customer, so hiking the price x3 is another way of saying this is "over" and for India to "get real"..

The French are even more protective of their technology than the Americans.

100% agree, not a coincedence US are cooling on India and suddenly there are "price issues" on this deal...
 
China spent tens of billions of dollars, and decades developing this engine technology and it seems they may have crossed that line of success with the WS-15 engine. Türkiye is going through that same learning process now for the KAAN engine, they have spent decades building the core infrastructure, people and institutions to get to that point. Japan has engine manufacturers, but they have not managed to cross the line of developing fast jet engines, when they do, they will pay the price in coin to develop that technology. Same goes for Korea who are now looking to start their own fast jet engine development project for the KF-21. France has an aerospace manufacturer of engines, but even with all that France has, it lags behind the UK in this field.

Fast jet military engines are hard to develop, really hard.

All this is because this technology costs serious serious money to develop and alot of time and you need deep institutions and a good quality university network to help.

Yet, India expects this countries to give over their hard earned technology for pennies on the dollar and they wonder why they don't get anywhere.
WS-19's project was running smooth like butter and already installed on airforce J-35 which says a lot, and now we have multiple VCE engine projects on going and one was already on the flying test bed.
 
Are there any Good news out of IAF at this point?

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Were they not jumping up and down about first flight in 2026 just a few pages ago?
 
Are there any Good news out of IAF at this point?

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Bad news for Tejas = Good news for IAF.

I don't understand the hype on MK2 when production and induction of the current variant are facing challenges.
 
Bad news for Tejas = Good news for IAF.

I don't understand the hype on MK2 when production and induction of the current variant are facing challenges.

Insane right. Like focus on doing one thing well, be it MK1A, M2 or AMCA.

Instead they are cocking up 3 things at the same time
 
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Are the Indians really suggesting that GE have forgotten to make quality engines? Come on - be serious. Looks like blame shifting for their poorly executed programme.
 
Are the Indians really suggesting that GE have forgotten to make quality engines? Come on - be serious. Looks like blame shifting for their poorly executed programme.

The list of foreign companies they have blamed for lack of development of "home grown jet" is amazing
 

Putin Dangles His Stealth Jet Before India​

by Tamika Johnson | Jun 27, 2026

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At Aero India 2025, on a warm February morning at Yelahanka Air Force Station near Bengaluru, a small boy tips his head all the way back. Above him a Russian Su-57 hauls itself into a vertical climb, rolls over the top, and falls back toward the crowd. For most of the children on the grass it is just a thrilling shape in the sky. For the men in uniform watching beside them, it is something more complicated: a glimpse of the one thing the Indian Air Force does not have.

India flies some of the finest fourth-generation fighters in the world. What it does not fly — not one — is a stealth jet. And in June 2026, Vladimir Putin stepped into that gap with an offer designed to be hard to refuse.

Speaking to journalists at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum on 5 June, the Russian president proposed building the Su-57 together, in India, with full technology transfer and integration of Indian systems. No conditions, he said. No limitations.

Quick Facts
  • The offer: Putin proposes joint production of the Su-57 stealth fighter with India
  • Where & when: St Petersburg International Economic Forum, 5 June 2026
  • Terms: technology transfer, integration with Indian systems, and “no limitations”
  • Why it matters: India has no fifth-generation fighter; China is fielding stealth jets fast and Pakistan reportedly wants China’s J-35
  • The numbers floated: 36–60 Su-57s as an interim stealth force
  • History: India quit a joint Russian fifth-gen program in 2018 over cost, technology access and stealth doubts

An offer with a long history behind it​

If the proposal sounds familiar, that is because India has been here before. In 2007 the two countries launched a joint fifth-generation fighter program. A decade later, in 2018, New Delhi walked away, unhappy with the cost, the level of technology access, and the aircraft’s stealth performance. Russia finished the jet alone and called it the Su-57.

“We are ready to supply India with this aircraft, to keep developing it. We don’t have any issues or limitations.”
— Vladimir Putin, at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum, 5 June 2026
Now the roles have quietly reversed. It is Russia courting India, and the sweetener is precisely the thing India walked away over last time: a share of the technology, and a production line on Indian soil.

Why the timing is everything​

The urgency is not coming from Moscow. It is coming from the map. China is fielding fifth-generation fighters at a pace that worries every air force in Asia, and there are reports that Pakistan intends to buy China’s J-35 stealth jet. For India, that raises the prospect of being the only one of the three powers without a stealth aircraft.

India is racing to build its own answer, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft. But even on an optimistic schedule it will not enter service until around 2035. That is a long decade to wait while neighbours fly jets you cannot match.

“If we acquire two or three squadrons, or about 36 to 60 Su-57 aircraft in the interim, it will give India a stealth platform as well as payload capacity. The counterargument is that resources will have to be diverted — and once you have them, you might not have the incentive to push on with the domestic program.”
— Manoj Joshi, distinguished fellow, Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi

A genuinely hard choice​

This is where the romance of a shiny stealth jet collides with cold arithmetic. Buying 36 to 60 Su-57s would hand India a stealth force almost immediately. But every rupee spent on Russian jets is a rupee not spent on the home-grown AMCA — and, as Manoj Joshi warns, a country that already owns a foreign stealth fighter may lose the will to finish its own.

There was an American option, too. Washington offered India the F-35 in 2025. But the strings attached to U.S. hardware — the monitoring, the end-use controls — sit badly with a country that treats technology transfer as the whole point of a defence deal. Russia, by contrast, is offering to hand over the keys.

For now, India is doing the most Indian thing of all: keeping every door open. Hindustan Aeronautics says it is waiting on Russia’s pricing before taking anything to the air force. The boy at Yelahanka may be in his twenties before his country flies a stealth fighter of its own — and which flag is painted on the first one is still, genuinely, up in the air.
 

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