PSX record rally: more Pakistani companies join billion-dollar club

Illegal black money stolen from Pakistani Budget is bering re-introduced into Pakistan Stock exchange to covert black money into white money

Families of Corrupt Gov officials , who moved abroad , now face threat of sanctions , forced to move their assets back to Pakistan
To justify the black money , of course offshore companies were setup now they will justify the purchase of stocks in Pakistan and claim to be well wishers of Pakistan

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Low Profit making pakistani companies do not have Strong fundamentals , so no real investor (western) would be investing in these companies
 
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funny thing is what i am hearing in Pakistan is different as per our honorable friend has stated that inflation has decreased by 4% .
Still for argument sake inflation is down by 4% it doesn't put a dent on the financial crisis of Pakistani denzens.
 
... how many of them are exporters? and what is the situation of exports, in dollar terms, compared to imports?

Financial YearExportsImportsBalanceGovernment
2023-2024​
$38.45 billion​
$64.85 billion​
-$26.40 billion​
PML-N / Caretaker / PML-N​
2022-2023​
$35.33 billion​
$63.83 billion​
-$28.50 billion​
PML-N​
2021-2022​
$38.76 billion​
$92.32 billion​
-$53.56 billion​
PTI / PML-N​
 
funny thing is what i am hearing in Pakistan is different as per our honorable friend has stated that inflation has decreased by 4% .
Still for argument sake inflation is down by 4% it doesn't put a dent on the financial crisis of Pakistani denzens.
You're correct and there's no denying in that. It takes time.

For example, an item is bought for Rs100 in October 2024 to be sold for Rs125.

However, in December the same item is bought for Rs75 to be sold for Rs95, the first item still needs to sold at least at the original purchase price otherwise the seller will be making a loss.

So, there's a bit of catching up to do.


Inflation (SPI)
Month / Week
Rate
Government
July 2018​
4.21%​
PML / Caretaker​
August 2018​
2.91%​
Caretaker / PTI​
07/04/2022​
17.87%​
PTI​
04/05/2023​
48.35%​
PML-N​
12/12/2024​
3.71%​
PML-N​
 
Illegal black money stolen from Pakistani Budget is bering re-introduced into Pakistan Stock exchange to covert black money into white money

Families of Corrupt Gov officials , who moved abroad , now face threat of sanctions , forced to move their assets back to Pakistan
To justify the black money , of course offshore companies were setup now they will justify the purchase of stocks in Pakistan and claim to be well wishers of Pakistan

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Low Profit making pakistani companies do not have Strong fundamentals , so no real investor (western) would be investing in these companies
Are you talking about this?

Prime Minister Imran Khan promised ‘new Pakistan’ but members of his inner circle secretly moved millions offshore: ICIJ

Shameful.
 
Well
You have made. Some compelling arguments

I m not an economist and don't invest in stocks
But few observations

Aren't nearly all above arguments true for most of the world?

How.come health of your 500 biggest companies as you stated irrelevant to economy?

Even. If 3% pakistanis invest in stock, given the Asian Muslim family structure of Pakistan it probably reflectsl 15% of your population (only family head and grown males will be investing, they have their whole families behind them unlike western world)

This 15% populous is providing jobs to nearly half of your eligible population, so how they are irrelevant?

The trade volumes these days are upwards of 60 mil daily so arguement of 40 mil can move stocks by 1000s I'd probably not valid



Plus if top 500 companies don't represent economy than how come state of pia does represent it?

Pakistans economic crisis was 99% due to. Mismanagement these days both primary and current accounts are positive default risk has gone down from whooping 80% to below 5%

Wont that be contributing to positive sentiment??

Rest is wait n see I guess

Yes, it's true for the rest of the world, including the United States, where I'm from. But I think you missed the point when I said the stock market is forward-looking in the sense that the market player is projecting the company's revenues and growth, not that it would reach that point.

The 3% I stated was a very generous estimate. The actual is a lot lower. Between .1 and .14% of the population holds capital market accounts. (1, 2) That is no more than 300,000 actively traded accounts, with Pakistan's market cap being $51 billion on average, $170,000 per account. The rest of Pakistan lives hand-to-mouth or has chosen not to participate due to financial literacy.

Hence, 15% of the population doesn't support the theory it's providing employment.

Yes, a small amount of funds could move the market, as Pakistan's market is much smaller, and a dollar shift would have a more significant impact. However, if the market had more depth, then it would be a different story. Example below:

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The most important part of Pakistan markets, "only 30-40 percent of companies are providing 80-90 percent liquidity to the market. More than 60 percent of market capitalization in the PSX comes from only five sectors (out of 34)." (3) With 31 financial institutions only three are actively involved in trading and wealth management. (3)

In Pakistan, banks and insurance companies are actively taking deposits and investing in the market to lower risk and generate capital that they can lend out. This goes back to my first point: Individuals are storing excess funds in interest-bearing accounts with property investments down. The banks take those funds and invest in the markets to generate capital. They can't just continue paying interest without earning on the other end. The only avenue besides T-Bills, etc., for banks and insurance companies in Pakistan is to use the stock market.

The PIA example shows how the stock market can mask the weakness of the actual economy. Thus, the stock market should not be used as a barometer; that's why the Federal Reserve in the United States has metrics to see the economy's health. The United States is divided into 12 regions, and each Federal Reserve Bank looks after its geographic location, studying the local economy, and regulates its area. My MBA professor worked actively in the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank while teaching.

I wouldn't pay much attention to the current accounts, primarily due to reduced imports with government intervention, stagnant exports coupled with substantial remittance due to inflation and overseas Pakistanis sending more back home to support their maskeen countrymen and women.

My university professor always said you do not become wealthy by reducing your Starbucks intake but by increasing your income and deploying excess capital in markets.

It is mismanaged, and the issue has been much more profound since the beginning; the government has always lived on handouts, its aid, and grants and squandered them on lavish luxuries with little to show for it. After the 1960's, it went downhill, but very few could see the rot.

You can wait and see, like the worker on my family's farm who thinks Bhutto will come and save them. The smart ones have jumped ship and gone overseas. So, I do not share much optimism in Pakistan's economic structure. For me, the current government is just applying bandages at this point. To me, Pakistan is a ship in the ocean, and the crew is working overtime to plug the holes, which only works temporarily without a permanent fix.

1: https://www.dawn.com/news/1805743
2: https://aurora.dawn.com/news/114441...-million-people-to-invest-in-pakistani-stocks
3: https://pide.org.pk/research/the-poor-state-of-financial-markets-in-pakistan/
 
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Yes, it's true for the rest of the world, including the United States, where I'm from. But I think you missed the point when I said the stock market is forward-looking in the sense that the market player is projecting the company's revenues and growth, not that it would reach that point.

The 3% I stated was a very generous estimate. The actual is a lot lower. Between .1 and .14% of the population holds capital market accounts. (1, 2) That is no more than 300,000 actively traded accounts, with Pakistan's market cap being $51 billion on average, $170,000 per account. The rest of Pakistan lives hand-to-mouth or has chosen not to participate due to financial literacy.

Hence, 15% of the population doesn't support the theory it's providing employment.

Yes, a small amount of funds could move the market, as Pakistan's market is much smaller, and a dollar shift would have a more significant impact. However, if the market had more depth, then it would be a different story. Example below:

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The most important part of Pakistan markets, "only 30-40 percent of companies are providing 80-90 percent liquidity to the market. More than 60 percent of market capitalization in the PSX comes from only five sectors (out of 34)." (3) With 31 financial institutions only three are actively involved in trading and wealth management. (3)

In Pakistan, banks and insurance companies are actively taking deposits and investing in the market to lower risk and generate capital that they can lend out. This goes back to my first point: Individuals are storing excess funds in interest-bearing accounts with property investments down. The banks take those funds and invest in the markets to generate capital. They can't just continue paying interest without earning on the other end. The only avenue besides T-Bills, etc., for banks and insurance companies in Pakistan is to use the stock market.

The PIA example shows how the stock market can mask the weakness of the actual economy. Thus, the stock market should not be used as a barometer; that's why the Federal Reserve in the United States has metrics to see the economy's health. The United States is divided into 12 regions, and each Federal Reserve Bank looks after its geographic location, studying the local economy, and regulates its area. My MBA professor worked actively in the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank while teaching.

I wouldn't pay much attention to the current accounts, primarily due to reduced imports with government intervention, stagnant exports coupled with substantial remittance due to inflation and overseas Pakistanis sending more back home to support their maskeen countrymen and women.

My university professor always said you do not become wealthy by reducing your Starbucks intake but by increasing your income and deploying excess capital in markets.

It is mismanaged, and the issue has been much more profound since the beginning; the government has always lived on handouts, its aid, and grants and squandered them on lavish luxuries with little to show for it. After the 1960's, it went downhill, but very few could see the rot.

You can wait and see, like the worker on my family's farm who thinks Bhutto will come and save them. The smart ones have jumped ship and gone overseas. So, I do not share much optimism in Pakistan's economic structure. For me, the current government is just applying bandages at this point. To me, Pakistan is a ship in the ocean, and the crew is working overtime to plug the holes, which only works temporarily without a permanent fix.

1: https://www.dawn.com/news/1805743
2: https://aurora.dawn.com/news/114441...-million-people-to-invest-in-pakistani-stocks
3: https://pide.org.pk/research/the-poor-state-of-financial-markets-in-pakistan/
You seem to be knowing what you are talking about

I m not an expert on subject
 
funny thing is what i am hearing in Pakistan is different as per our honorable friend has stated that inflation has decreased by 4% .
Still for argument sake inflation is down by 4% it doesn't put a dent on the financial crisis of Pakistani denzens.
Inflation rate only means prices are not increasing at the hyper rate compared to previous years. The already established high prices will remain as a baseline, there's no dent made in that and on top of it prices will continue to go up albeit a bit slower.

Commodity and basic necessity prices have literally doubled under duffer-chor mafia regime and people have been squeezed further by taxes and electricity prices tripling quadripling while f@ujeets chor elites are making hay in the stock market.
 

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