‘Analytical mistake to see Pakistan-Turkey relationship as a case of assistance’,warns Ilya Roubanis - ThePrint Uninterrupted

[hydrabadi_arab]

Greeks come across generally rational and logical as a nation. The ones I know, who happen to be some of the most professional individuals I have worked with by the way, use logic and rational processes to guide their personal opinions, even regarding their old enemy, Turkey. This is probably because they don't live in a media controlled state, and hence they are given the freedom to think as they please.

I don't think Pakistanis or Indians should try too hard to read anything into Greek ruminations regarding our nations through the specific lens of a projected Turkey-Greece conflict. This reductionism has been turned into an art form by Delhi, where Turkey and Azerbaijan are suddenly public enemy no. 1 while Armenia and Greece are somehow their allies since time immemorial.

Regarding the interview itself, the problem faced by Indian journos or indeed the general Indian citizen who now ventures forth from the BJP-crafted echo chamber, is that essentially, the narrative that has created loyal cadres of brainwashed saffron voters simply does not hold up to objective scrutiny.

This is why these Indian journos and citizens are in a state of genuine shock when rational 3rd parties suggest that actually, Pakistan is not some Bollywood "hello janab" caricature or cartoon villain, but is a formidable nation state that has always acted rationally towards a much larger and more populous nation to its immediate east whose state policies create a default existential threat to it.

We have to have nuclear weapons. We have to have a strong military. We citizens have to exist within the tenets of faith, unity, discipline as our prime directives. We do all this to survive and it is perfectly rational.

Indians can scream "terrorists!" at us, they can scream at Trump, they can scream at neutral parties all they like but the cold hard facts suggest that their screaming is fundamentally misinformed, as well as pointless.

Theprint is basically Godi media so host acting like stupid cow isn't surprising. Doesn't mean India have no serious analysts.

Now after operation suhagraat you have started to see that narrative is changing even among Godi media, especially after that Indian CDS admission of Indian aircrafts shot down. But to counter that they are now coming up with imaginary 8 F-16 destroyed etc So stupid Godi echochamber will continue but its getting harder and harder to hide behind lies.

 

[Goenitz]

I was waiting for him to say that Pak helped in DSI intake, etc. Even the jugad in the F6 aircraft fuel tank saved millions later.

Chinese adopt the underbelly fuel tank ( Gondola ), which not only saved hardpoints but also the use of external fuel tanks. Overall, it saved nearly 60 million dollars in 80s.


Not to mention the invaluable tactical knowledge.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Ilya Roubanis is a non-resident fellow of the Institute of International Relations in Athens. In an exclusive conversation with ThePrint Consulting Editor Swasti Rao, Roubanis discusses Turkish military support to Pakistan, 5th generation Kaan project, the China factor in Ankara - Islamabad equation & relationship between Turkey, China and the Gulf. - YouTube Comment.

I watched this whole interview and I have to say that I was correct in my assessment that every Indian is slight degree full supportative of the Right Wing Hindutva Nationalist politically.

This interview was conducted by the "The Print" a more "moderate" Indian news media-house, but the host in their typical Indian manner conducted the interview implicit confirmation biases that Ilya Roubanis skillfully sidestepped and corrected the host, Swasti Rao.

My own key takeaways from this interview:

• The Indian host, Swasti Rao the kept interjecting and rudely interrupting Ilya Roubanis
• Acted shocked when Iiya mentioned that Pakistan has sent 150 engineers to the Kaan project and isn't just there with their "hands open."
• The Indian host snidely claimed that Pakistan is the epicenter of Global terrorism (LOL).
• The Indian host repeatedly kept bringing up the OP Sindoor. It felt like a drinking game in college whenever you hear a certain word, you take a shot etc.
• the Indian host claims that for India, UAE is very important- the guest, IIya added that for UAE, India is also very important (thereby implying don't think of yourself as high and mighty).
• The Indian host was shocked when the guest mentioned the quality of Pakistanis from the Pilots in the Gulf Airforces to their understanding of the Chinese military doctrine and experiences.
• The Indian host tried to claim that Turkey will sell their S400 to Pakistan, at which point the guest said that likely will not since Pakistan's doctrine is different from the S400 can and will bring.
• The Indian host would repeatedly ask “innocent” questions but it was obviously to the Greek guest that there was an agenda.
• The Indian host either genuinely doesn't know anything about Pakistan and clearly believes in the BJP/Bollywood propaganda that Pakistan is a backward, broke nation and can be easily pushed around.
• She was acting and playing mind games with the gentleman trying to present an image of a Pakistan that supports terrorism and is backwards.
• Tried to brag about downing Turkish drones to the Guest.

Overall, the Greek guest was very knowleadage about Pakistan and the Indian Host was incredibly rude.

One of the more insightful comments on this video:
"
The host is surprised by basic facts about pakistan capability. This just shows Indian arrogance and denial. Putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala at the mention of pakistan is not a military strategy. This is precisely what gets you disgraced on the battlefield when your whole fleet of fighter jets has to be grounded for 2 days in a four day clash. As ou try and figure out what went wrong.And then interrupting the guest by saying childish things like … we downed their Turkish drones just shows your level. Of seriousness and lack of sincerity and your basic desperation. lol, drones are not fighter jets. It is assumed they will get shot down. Their purpose is different to a …. Emmm… Rafael? Lol"

The Hindustanis are coping very hard.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

I watched this yesterday - and I just can't take any Indian content anymore. These people are beyond idiotic.

But - I did catch the part about Pak engineers and their involvement in KAAN, and Turkish engineers in Pak working on various projects. The guy being interviewed was actually quite full of praise towards PAF.

Some Pakistani needs to interview this guy and let him actually share more information.

Indians going after Greece, Armeenia is just desperation. Greeks are logical people and not stupid high on gau mutra like Indians who think Turkey shouldn't exist on map.

Greek couldn't care less if Turkey-Pakistan have some military relations.

 

[mythbuster]

I was waiting for him to say that Pak helped in DSI intake, etc. Even the jugad in the F6 aircraft fuel tank saved millions later.

Chinese adopt the underbelly fuel tank, which not only saved hardpoints but also the use of external fuel tanks. Overall, it saved nearly 60 million dollars in 80s.

One shall never underestimate Pakistani capacity for juggad ...... don't know if it's true or not , Pakistan modified F 16 in the 80s , to the chagrin of the Americans , to carry nuclear weapons .

 

[Goenitz]

One shall never underestimate Pakistani capacity for juggad ...... don't know if it's true or not , Pakistan modified F 16 in the 80s , to the chagrin of the Americans , to carry nuclear weapons .

PAF also repaired the damaged Erieye (by TTP). Outstanding feat I guess.
My supervisor repaired a damaged Cobra in 2007 (by TTP). The tail beam was damaged, and the US asked for millions for the repair.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Indians going after Greece, Armeenia is just desperation. Greeks are logical people and not stupid high on gau mutra like Indians who think Turkey shouldn't exist on map.

Greek couldn't care less if Turkey-Pakistan have some military relations.

I would add though, just as all PAF Vs IAF related news:-

- here we have a Greek analyst actually praising PAF and Pak engineers (actual interview proof).

- across the border in Hindustan - you have claims that the Greeks are impressed by India and it's Rafale use

 

[Goenitz]

I also forgot that Pak tested Z 10 in 2015-16 and suggested many improvements. That was also an immense technical help given by the PA or PAF if Z 10 has adapted these.

 

[Foinikas]

Guys,let me get some burgers,read the entire OP thread and all the comments and reply.

This seems exciting. Thanks @hydrabadi_arab for tagging me,man

 

[PakistanLVR]

I would add though, just as all PAF Vs IAF related news:-

- here we have a Greek analyst actually praising PAF and Pak engineers (actual interview proof).

- across the border in Hindustan - you have claims that the Greeks are impressed by India and it's Rafale use

Listen, I know many here will not like me saying this and I for one support Turkey but my interactions with Greeks and Armenians has been they are very similar to us in many many ways. They are good people and only trying to protect what's theirs. The Indian scums wish to activate them into anti-Pakistan alliance but the Greeks I know could care less. Had a Greek friend say he hopes the Greek Gov't bans Indians from coming into their country after I mentioned the tourism angle since the Indians are boycotting Turkey.

Unbelievably enough I think the Print Host mentioned why India wants to support anti-Turkey countries because its the right thing to do.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Listen, I know many here will not like me saying this and I for one support Turkey but my interactions with Greeks and Armenians has been they are very similar to us in many many ways. They are good people and only trying to protect what's theirs. The Indian scums wish to activate them into anti-Pakistan alliance but the Greeks I know could care less. Had a Greek friend say he hopes the Greek Gov't bans Indians from coming into their country after I mentioned the tourism angle since the Indians are boycotting Turkey.

Unbelievably enough I think the Print Host mentioned why India wants to support anti-Turkey countries because its the right thing to do.

I don't think Pakistan has any official issue with the Greeks. But - the relationship with Turkey is too important to even risk jeopardising. Same with Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Trade with whomever, but your friends are your friends. And trust me - Pakistan needs this friend!

 

[Master Chief]

Listen, I know many here will not like me saying this and I for one support Turkey but my interactions with Greeks and Armenians has been they are very similar to us in many many ways. They are good people and only trying to protect what's theirs. The Indian scums wish to activate them into anti-Pakistan alliance but the Greeks I know could care less. Had a Greek friend say he hopes the Greek Gov't bans Indians from coming into their country after I mentioned the tourism angle since the Indians are boycotting Turkey.

Unbelievably enough I think the Print Host mentioned why India wants to support anti-Turkey countries because its the right thing to do.

Why assume we behave like Indians? I think you will find very few Pakistanis who disagree with you.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Why assume we behave like Indians? I think you will find very few Pakistanis who disagree with you.

because we have a few Iranian lovers here as well as Turk lovers, that's why.

 

[Foinikas]

Ok,we have a lot of points to talk about. Let's do it in two parts. First part,let me quote some points of the OP thread.

The Indian host repeatedly kept bringing up the OP Sindoor. It felt like a drinking game in college whenever you hear a certain word, you take a shot etc.

Probably tried to encourage Ilias to make a compliment about how good India handled the situation or something like that. Probably fishing for praises of Indian superior tactics and strategy.

The Indian host was shocked when the guest mentioned the quality of Pakistanis from the Pilots in the Gulf Airforces to their understanding of the Chinese military doctrine and experiences.

One thing I've been noticing lately,is that most Greeks who comment on defence sites,don't know that Pakistan actually has a superior Air Force. I'll tell you more about what Greeks think and write about,in the second part.

Tried to brag about downing Turkish drones to the Guest.

It would be interesting if he told her "And we've shot down a Turkish F-16".

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Ilya Roubanis is a non-resident fellow of the Institute of International Relations in Athens. In an exclusive conversation with ThePrint Consulting Editor Swasti Rao, Roubanis discusses Turkish military support to Pakistan, 5th generation Kaan project, the China factor in Ankara - Islamabad equation & relationship between Turkey, China and the Gulf. - YouTube Comment.

I watched this whole interview and I have to say that I was correct in my assessment that every Indian is slight degree full supportative of the Right Wing Hindutva Nationalist politically.

This interview was conducted by the "The Print" a more "moderate" Indian news media-house, but the host in their typical Indian manner conducted the interview implicit confirmation biases that Ilya Roubanis skillfully sidestepped and corrected the host, Swasti Rao.

My own key takeaways from this interview:

• The Indian host, Swasti Rao the kept interjecting and rudely interrupting Ilya Roubanis
• Acted shocked when Iiya mentioned that Pakistan has sent 150 engineers to the Kaan project and isn't just there with their "hands open."
• The Indian host snidely claimed that Pakistan is the epicenter of Global terrorism (LOL).
• The Indian host repeatedly kept bringing up the OP Sindoor. It felt like a drinking game in college whenever you hear a certain word, you take a shot etc.
• the Indian host claims that for India, UAE is very important- the guest, IIya added that for UAE, India is also very important (thereby implying don't think of yourself as high and mighty).
• The Indian host was shocked when the guest mentioned the quality of Pakistanis from the Pilots in the Gulf Airforces to their understanding of the Chinese military doctrine and experiences.
• The Indian host tried to claim that Turkey will sell their S400 to Pakistan, at which point the guest said that likely will not since Pakistan's doctrine is different from the S400 can and will bring.
• The Indian host would repeatedly ask “innocent” questions but it was obviously to the Greek guest that there was an agenda.
• The Indian host either genuinely doesn't know anything about Pakistan and clearly believes in the BJP/Bollywood propaganda that Pakistan is a backward, broke nation and can be easily pushed around.
• She was acting and playing mind games with the gentleman trying to present an image of a Pakistan that supports terrorism and is backwards.
• Tried to brag about downing Turkish drones to the Guest.

Overall, the Greek guest was very knowleadage about Pakistan and the Indian Host was incredibly rude.

One of the more insightful comments on this video:
"
The host is surprised by basic facts about pakistan capability. This just shows Indian arrogance and denial. Putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala at the mention of pakistan is not a military strategy. This is precisely what gets you disgraced on the battlefield when your whole fleet of fighter jets has to be grounded for 2 days in a four day clash. As ou try and figure out what went wrong.And then interrupting the guest by saying childish things like … we downed their Turkish drones just shows your level. Of seriousness and lack of sincerity and your basic desperation. lol, drones are not fighter jets. It is assumed they will get shot down. Their purpose is different to a …. Emmm… Rafael? Lol"

Who cares what indians say or think? They are a s**t meaningless inferior people that no one in the world takes seriously. They are also the biggest propaganda and disinformation centre of the planet. india has no credibility or standing in the world. Even faeces have a better standing in the world than indians or india.