15-year-old allegedly run over by employer after workplace dispute in Multan

[El Sidd]

What is your alternate? If it is the current system, then you should not be allowed to participate in these discussions. You are an advocate of status quo and consider some how Pakistanis deserve to be punished this way.

Status quo is Jirga and Panchayat.

The necessary DNA required for nations to produce lawgivers is non existent in Pakistani society.

 

[I*R*A]

Speaking to the broader set of societal issues, I don't think there is one member here who is a supporter of the status quo with the judiciary, policing, and other social aspects. The difference of opinion is whether we should have evolutionary changes (which will face progression and regression with obstacles that either emerge due to external factors or created by those with vested interests) or revolutionary.

Thanks to the indifference of Pakistani qoum and their great ability to just accept and adapt, chances of a revolution are very minute to none. Where millions just think of how to make ends meet, the luxury to think and plan a revolution is non existent, there is no motivation as the worry to earn bread and butter for ones family remains a hard task.

The correct saying "Jaisa Raja waisi Awam" fits perfectly for Pakistanis. As long as we remain stuck in delusions of democracy and how great that system is, we will stay where we are. It will take one honest leader with absolute authority to start correcting the course and another one to carry on with the plan and policies.

My problem is one sided criticism of traditional way of deciding matters and calling state provided venue a better option, which it is not. Heck the state couldn't even prosecute the known proven terrorists. What should people do where state provided facilities are non existent or the state has no writ?

 

[I*R*A]

Status quo is Jirga and Panchayat.

The necessary DNA required for nations to produce lawgivers is non existent in Pakistani society.

Is it the fault of the society? Did they ever have a say in matters of state? Or were they ever provided opportunities and environment to nourish that DNA?

Okay, they are backward for insisting to keep the jirga and panchayat, but where is the state's alternative and will to replace it with something better?

 

[El Sidd]

Is it the fault of the society? Did they ever have a say in matters of state? Or were they ever provided opportunities and environment to nourish that DNA?

Okay, they are backward for insisting to keep the jirga and panchayat, but where is the state's alternative and will to replace it with something better?

It may appear noble to absolve the society or paint a picture of some bright progressive nation in need of liberation from a foreign system but it does nothing but romanticise the issue.

You cannot just argue that the state and its people are 2 different parties.

 

[I*R*A]

It may appear noble to absolve the society or paint a picture of some bright progressive nation in need of liberation from a foreign system but it does nothing but romanticise the issue.

You cannot just argue that the state and its people are 2 different parties.

State has the responsibility for welfare and growth of its people. State provides them opportunities, peace, stability and facilities to build healthy learned societies. State is not there only to punish its people. If a state has failed, then you cannot simply blame the people for having their own methods and systems, life has to go on.

 

[RescueRanger]

State has the responsibility for welfare and growth of its people. State provides them opportunities, peace, stability and facilities to build healthy learned societies. State is not there only to punish its people. If a state has failed, then you cannot simply blame the people for having their own methods and systems, life has to go on.

Well said.

 

[El Sidd]

State has the responsibility for welfare and growth of its people. State provides them opportunities, peace, stability and facilities to build healthy learned societies. State is not there only to punish its people. If a state has failed, then you cannot simply blame the people for having their own methods and systems, life has to go on.

People fail way before any state failure.

The society needs to decide collectively whether they aspire for a social welfare state or continue with capitalistic ventures.

Generally the masses are extremely cautious with greater government control on most issues. An inherent mistrust of 'government' in what people perceive as strict personal choices is a factual observation.

 

[I*R*A]

People fail way before any state failure.

Please provide an example, a real life example, in a proper functional state where people are failing.

The society needs to decide collectively whether they aspire for a social welfare state or continue with capitalistic ventures.

Obviously, Qaroons of the society will collude with Hamans of society and install a Firon to subjugate the rest. How can that be called a collective decision? Your statement is an invitation to pure exploitation, unless everyone has been afforded equal opportunity and chance.

Generally the masses are extremely cautious with greater government control on most issues. An inherent mistrust of 'government' in what people perceive as strict personal choices is a factual observation.

State should not subjugate its people. Personal freedoms and liberties are not for the state to control. State's jurisdiction should remain to what happens in open, in public in a society.