A diminished India

Guru Dutt said:
well on the contrarry most baniya guys i know in last 25 years have wrapped up there buissnessess in waste bengal and shifted them to telangana and orissa and down south while most of the so called marwari baniyas have over last two decades sold there entire property in and outskirts of calcutta to corporates and most living in rented accomudations with there main homes in Bangalore and new delhi

the last straw was that fire in wtaer proof material market almost a decade ago where same communists had actually blocked the ways for fire brigade to reach and put owt fire as most of the buissnesses were owned and the entire market was actually owned and run by so called HINDU BANIYA MARWARIs and that episode of a famous hosrey king whos daughter was lured by these guys and when that boy was found dead the father was implicated and whle family had to go through hell last but not the least how Mamta didi stormed into TATA plant in singur that shifted to Sanad in Gujrat which is the reason of therefrustation towards Gujratis as Singurs loss is Gujrats gain ;) :P
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@Joe Shearer

Marwadis still migrate to Kolkata. That's a fact.

I wonder why talented Gujaratis and Marwadis need to migrate to other parts to make a living?

Why Marwad, Kutch and Saurashtra perform so low on HDI?

Why don't these wealthy Gujaratis and Marwadis develop their home region?
 
Joe Shearer said:
Why are you wasting time?

These are illiterate, uneducated riff-raff. One of them doesn't know his own caste structures, nor the difference between Gujarati, Marwari and Bhaiyya, or the difference between Jain, Maheswari and Agarwal Bania.

You expect a rational conversation with such on recent economic history? Seriously?
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No surprise Gujarati and Marwadi communities have produced no intellectuals. Only scammers
 
vsdoc said:
Thats my limited point.

Dont stop participating actively ....
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That is constricted by the sheer stupidity of the arguments used, that would require kindergarten levels of exchange of information.
 
Mrloveday said:
@Joe Shearer

Marwadis still migrate to Kolkata. That's a fact.

I wonder why talented Gujaratis and Marwadis need to migrate to other parts to make a living?

Why Marwad, Kutch and Saurashtra perform so low on HDI?

Why don't these wealthy Gujaratis and Marwadis develop their home region?
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This is a reality. However, all the victory-deprived alternative historians will never agree that this is a reality.
Mrloveday said:
No surprise Gujarati and Marwadi communities have produced no intellectuals. Only scammers
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That is not correct.
 
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its a third rate article written by someone who doesn't seem to understand anything at all about the current ground realities. It wasnt the indians who overthrew their own sovereign government for the US. Neither is India beholden to the Gulf countries to keep its mouth shut or else face economic sanctions via deportation of guest workers.

The current state of Pakistan is rotten, from its military ruling class, to its politicians, to the journalists. Just something to write about for the sake of writing.
 
Mrloveday said:
I don't consider Gandhi and Chetan Bhagat as intellectuals.
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Your opinion (about Gandhi) and you are entitled to it.

Everyone of us, including I, is allowed to take a stupid position. No problems.
 
Joe Shearer said:
Your opinion (about Gandhi) and you are entitled to it.

Everyone of us, including I, is allowed to take a stupid position. No problems.
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Ahmedabad mill strike proved he was a shrewd Bania. A controlled opposition.

Modi is literally his clone
 
Joe Shearer said:
That is constricted by the sheer stupidity of the arguments used, that would require kindergarten levels of exchange of information.
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r3alist said:
Expressed in a nutshell
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Joe I know about you. Not so much about our Pakistani friend. I try to put myself in your shoes ask myself, would I be such a formidably unapproachable elitist khadoos for my (much) younger compatriots. The answer I do not have, blessed as I am not by clairvoyance.

But I have kids at home the age of a lot of these guys. And then I realise we have been at it (this forum game) for over 15 years now.

Multiple generations have come and gone Joe. But "maybe" you engage with all of them as the ones we first met, and are exasperated by having to repeat the same things, what you and I call basics, fundamentals, again.

Problem is Joe, and @Guru Dutt agrees with me, having similarly aged kids at home and his social circle, this present generation is both immensely intelligent, and equally immensely blinkered dolts. They NEED to be schooled. And if not us, then someone else will step in and do what they feel needs to be taught.

This is how the Hindu right grew under our noses and we were too busy rescuing India, growing India, riching (is it a word?) India, to notice. Or consider it a threat more than a peripheral irritant.

The last 10 years, in fact the last 30-40 years, is an immense lesson to us, or where both our generations fell short. Let our guard down. And ceded the public perception and information space to rhe Sangh ecosystem.

We need to grab that back. I realize it. Rahul realizes it.

Please realize it.

Just by being a friendly dad, without indoctrinating them with my own world view, I have seen my kids change. From Oh hes a druggie na? To the frank admiration them and their friends have for him and the disgust they feel for La Ecosystem. This happened unknown to me, and was a happy unexpected surprise. Busy as I was with my own work, my own fight.

@Nilgiri

Cheers, Doc
 
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Essentially we were too busy making India what she is today.

So busy, that some charlatans came in with their snake oil and took all the credit.

We need to wrest that space back. One state, one generation at a time.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
But I have kids at home the age of a lot of these guys. And then I realise we have been at it (this forum game) for over 15 years now.
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Since 1992, for me, as far as the pronounced hostility to religious bigotry is concerned. That is 32 years, not 15, and apologies for the quibble.
Since 2008, as far as the entrance to Pakistani fora is concerned; that is 16 years, as you noted.
 
vsdoc said:
Multiple generations have come and gone Joe. But "maybe" you engage with all of them as the ones we first met, and are exasperated by having to repeat the same things, what you and I call basics, fundamentals, again.
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Very well said.
 
vsdoc said:
Problem is Joe, and @Guru Dutt agrees with me, having similarly aged kids at home and his social circle, this present generation is both immensely intelligent, and equally immensely blinkered dolts. They NEED to be schooled. And if not us, then someone else will step in and do what they feel needs to be taught.
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I agree with the analysis, I am not sure that the solution is with us on social media.
 
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