A Look Inside Huawei’s Phone Shows How China’s Chip Advance Has Stalled

yusheng said:
By 2024, China's chip production is expected to exceed 400 billion pieces.
China is still the world's largest exporter of chips. According to the latest data released by the General Administration of Customs on December 10th, China's integrated circuit exports exceeded 1.03 trillion yuan for the first time in the first 11 months, with a year-on-year growth of 20.3%.
Many people's understanding of chips may be limited to chips such as mobile phones and computers. In fact, these are not the most important, but rather industrial, engineering, automotive, and home appliance chips. These chips are completely self-sufficient and cheaper. Some automotive grade chips used to cost thousands of yuan for imports, but now domestic ones only cost 1 yuan.
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Most chips do not need to be that powerful or compact and it makes sense to build them on much cheaper and older dies.

Building the optimum chip for a microwave is completely different for that of the latest smartphones.
 
lightning f57 said:
The US has screwed up big historically when it comes to China. They have turned China into a competitor by the constant sanctions. China is becoming more and more self reliant, eventually they will consume their own microchips and not have to spend $200b+ every year they do buying from overseas. This of course will take time, as it took them to modernise their military and other areas.
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The idea is to slowdown China's progress rather than to stop them. This is so the US can increase their gap with China so the US is always ahead while China is always playing catch up.

Is it working? So far I would say...
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
The idea is to slowdown China's progress rather than to stop them. This is so the US can increase their gap with China so the US is always ahead while China is always playing catch up.

Is it working? So far I would say...
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In the short term sanctions and restrictions will have an affect but longer term China will become self-sufficient.

The US government rational for this is to slow down Chinas military advancement, however the real reason is to slow down commercial competition to companies like google, amazon, microsoft, IBM. They are trying to keep a monopoly with cloud computing, AI development.

China having a rival like the US is a good thing, it will push them to their limits to make breakthroughs. Success comes through adversity.
 
Hamartia Antidote said:
Since when has China's strategy been not to be self reliant???

Gaining by TOT has pretty much been their strategy from Day 1.
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It takes time to learn to run by yourself. In any craft you learn about what is there, then make improvements then finally innovate with something new. China is on this trajectory.
 
lightning f57 said:
It takes time to learn to run by yourself. In any craft you learn about what is there, then make improvements then finally innovate with something new. China is on this trajectory.
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China may be on that trajectory but the gap isn't closing with the US as the Americans are also on that trajectory.

The United States had the largest economy from somewhere in the mid-1980s but it wasn't known as a Super Power until half a century later and that only because European Super Powers were ruined due to World War two.

Only a cataclysmic event on that scale is going to change either America's or China's trajectory giving one of them major advantage over the other.
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
China may be on that trajectory but the gap isn't closing with the US as the Americans are also on that trajectory.

The United States had the largest economy from somewhere in the mid-1980s but it wasn't known as a Super Power until half a century later and that only because European Super Powers were ruined due to World War two.

Only a cataclysmic event on that scale is going to change either America's or China's trajectory giving one of them major advantage over the other.
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It all depends what each country focuses on and makes it central doctrine. If for example China wants to make their fighter jets unmanned with certain requirements they will work on that and may come out ontop of the US whos focus may be on something different.

This is where I see both going down their own paths in certain areas where they will be ahead. Right now the US has the bigger advantage its been working on various technologies longer and importantly collaborates with intellectual peers in Europe and Asia. China is having to go alone so it will be a longer process for them.
 
Hamartia Antidote said:
So that just means it was no big secret they had running in mind all along.
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Yes, and in their mind going down this path has been reinforced by the way western and some asian countries have reacted with China when it comes to cooperation.
 
lightning f57 said:
Yes, and in their mind going down this path has been reinforced by the way western and some asian countries have reacted with China when it comes to cooperation.
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That's like saying that Gaza incident was the spark that suddenly reinforced our support of Israel.
 
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