AJK govt bans Joint Awami Action Committee, notification issued

[Sainthood 2.0]

People of Kashmir support them, they just want their rights. Its people from a big province spreading racism and want to see blood. But doesnt AJK Government or political parties counter Joint Action Committe arguments instead of using violence.

What rights? Rights to free wheat and free electricity? More federal funding from already broke federal government?
Or something to do with genuine administrative reforms, end to elite culture and bloated government/ bureaucracy?

Two very different conditions
I doubt the people from the big province would spread racism if it was the latter not the former
Cause we are already paying our behinds off in taxes while everyone else largely gets to cheats out of taxes.
That's my only issue

 

[313Ghazi]

What rights? Rights to free wheat and free electricity? More federal funding from already broke federal government?
Or something to do with genuine administrative reforms, end to elite culture and bloated government/ bureaucracy?

Two very different conditions
I doubt the people from the big province would spread racism if it was the latter not the former
Cause we are already paying our behinds off in taxes while everyone else largely gets to cheats out of taxes.
That's my only issue

We have 38 demands. Have you read them? The first most demand is an end to GHQ puppets in our parliament.

 

[PakAl]

What rights? Rights to free wheat and free electricity? More federal funding from already broke federal government?
Or something to do with genuine administrative reforms, end to elite culture and bloated government/ bureaucracy?

Two very different conditions
I doubt the people from the big province would spread racism if it was the latter not the former
Cause we are already paying our behinds off in taxes while everyone else largely gets to cheats out of taxes.
That's my only issue

Tell Islamabad supported political parties to challenge Action Committe arguments rather than use violence. Where are the pro government protests by PPP Pmlq IPP. This protest is not about electricity or wheat, they have other demands.

 

[Starlord]

As usual more Pakistani's resort to violence, Jab protest kerna nai ata tu mat karo...

 

[PakAl]

* Reduction in the number of advisers and political appointees.

* Greater accountability and electoral reforms

* End or reduction of special privileges, allowances, and perks for ministers, bureaucrats, and senior officials.
Strengthening anti-corruption mechanisms.

* Monitoring committees to oversee implementation of reforms.

* Establishment of additional educational boards.

* Educational reforms and merit-based admissions.

* Calls for changes to the political structure and greater representation of local residents

* Action against corruption and what the committee describes as elite domination of politics.

 

[gamaji]

@Samlee
Then God must have stated in the Quran that once 'that' is committed, the person is done forever. Instead, He says that (25:69,71):

"They are˺ those who do not invoke any other god besides Allah, nor take a ˹human˺ life—made sacred by Allah—except with ˹legal˺ right, nor commit fornication. And whoever does ˹any of˺ this will face the penalty.

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As for those who repent, believe, and do good deeds, they are the ones whose evil deeds Allah will change into good deeds. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Just stating for personal guidance and clarity of thought.

Bhai, repentance is a matter between Allah and the repenting person. But a person who broke Allah's hudood cannot just get away with repentance. Otherwise, who else gets the Hudood punishments? Didn't people get punishments in the time of the Prophet Muhammed (صلى الله عليه وسلم)? To me, a loose character person (a playboy or a zaani) gets disqualified for whole his life. Period. This is my opinion and you may disagree with me.

As for killing a human being, that order you referred is for individuals, not for states. The whole point to make a state is to make and enforce laws. The first Khalifa Abu Bakr Siddique (رضی اللہ عنہ ) had to fight proper wars against those MUSLIMS who refused to pay Zakat. Similarly, there is a hadith to fight al khawarij (apparently Muslims) who were called to be the 'dogs of hell'. Similarly Allah SwT orders to kill fasadi people (again even they are apparently Muslims). There are many other orders (only for states) on how to deal with criminals.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

The 38 Point Agenda:

i. Criminal cases to be registered under appropriate anti-terrorism provisions for incidents of violence and vandalism that caused loss of life or property.

ok

ii. Families of those killed in the protests to receive compensation equal to that of law-enforcement martyrs; injured persons to receive Rs 1 million; one family member of each deceased to be given government employment within 20 days.

lol no

iii. Judicial Commissions to be constituted where inquiries are necessary to determine responsibility for the deaths.

ok - this judicial commission should determine if the deceased protestors deserved rs1 million or not
or if they were the ones causing all the trouble in the first place

iv. Two new Boards of Intermediate and Secondary Education to be established for Muzaffarabad and Poonch Divisions.

ok

v. All three AJK education boards to be affiliated with the Federal Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education within 30 days.

ok

vi. Land possessions for families affected by the Mangla Dam Raising Project to be regularised within 30 days.

good

vii. Local Government Act to be brought in line with the 1990 Act within 90 days, as directed by the Apex Court.

ok

viii. Funds for implementation of the health card programme to be released within 15 days.

whos going to pay for it? - would the people of ajk pay for it or someone else
if someone else, then no

ix. MRI and CT scan machines to be provided to each district hospital phase-wise with federal funding.

Maybe they can do that not a ridiculous demand but again does ajk gets its own funding or no? whos eating up all of the budget?

x. The Government of Pakistan to allocate Rs 10 billion for upgrading AJK’s electricity system.

Pakistan needs to spend billions of $ in upgrading its electric system
First priority should be given to connect Karachi and northern, central Punjab because thats where most of the population lives
That'll be the priority for now till maybe private investors can come and do it in ajk on their own for royalties, profit or the government or ajk raise a special fund for it

xi. Implementation of the 2019 High Court decision regarding hydel power projects and royalty distribution.

This royalty thing is just a demand but from what little I know, that PPP the ultimate bloodsucking cronies purposely overbloated the royalties
Royalties should be given but they should be way less than what is written in the law, as Pakistan cannot afford it for now
Also dams and such are already very expensive and pakistan paid for the last one over 2-3 decade long period the ones from the 60s
Its not a cheap affair and I doubt those seeking royalties paid for the dam anyways but that doesnt take away thier right for royalties but those royalties shouldn't be as high as they are
to the extent that they are almost unaffordable for the gov

xii. The size of the AJK cabinet to be reduced to 20 members (ministers and advisers combined).

great

xiii. Administrative secretaries to be limited to 20.

good

xiv. Civil Defence Department to be merged with the State Disaster Management Authority (SDMA).

good

xv. Ehtesab Bureau and Anti-Corruption Establishment to be merged into one accountability institution.

great

xvi. Ehtesab Act to be aligned with Pakistan’s National Accountability laws for uniformity.

great

xvii. Feasibility studies for two tunnels — Kahori/Kamser (3.7 km) and Chaplian (0.6 km) on Neelum Valley Road — to be initiated under the Saudi Development Fund.

good

xviii. Bridges at Gulpur and Rehman (Kotli) to be built through the Annual Development Programme (ADP).-

good

xix. Water-supply scheme and transmission line for Kashmir Colony Dadyal to be included in the ADP.

good

xx. Feasibility for greater water-supply schemes across all ten districts to be completed this financial year.

good

xxi. Operation theatres and nurseries to be funded for all Tehsil Headquarters Hospitals via the ADP.

good

xxii. Taxes on property transfer to be brought at par with Punjab or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa within three months.

good

xxiii. Advance tax rates to be reduced in line with Gilgit-Baltistan and former FATA areas.

Why? ajk is the richest region in pakistan and they wanted taxes like FATA the poorest region in pakistan?
Not at all fair when everyone else is already paying so much in taxes

xxiv. Admissions to educational institutions to follow open merit without undue quota restrictions.

great

xxv. FIRs for incidents at Banjosa, Muzaffarabad, Plochk, Dhirkot, Mirpur and Rian Kotli to be investigated through Judicial Commission led by a High Court judge.

good

xxvi. Time-frame for the construction of an International Airport at Mirpur to be announced within the current financial year.

good - ajk needs an airport imo

xxvii. Transport policy to be reviewed in light of the High Court judgment, especially the 1300 cc vehicle limit.

ok

xxviii. Feasibility for hydel and water schemes to be carried out as priority projects.

ok

xxix. Proprietary rights to be granted to refugees residing in Mendor Colony Dadyal.

ok

xxx. Protesters detained in Rawalpindi and Islamabad on 2–3 October to be released immediately.

good

xxxi. High-powered committee of constitutional experts (two from each party) to review representation of outside constituencies in AJK Assembly; fund allocations for those seats to remain on hold until report submission.

good

xxxii. Same committee to oversee harmonisation of accountability structures with federal standards.

good

xxxiii. Funds for operation theatres and maternal care facilities to be prioritised in the ADP.

good

xxxiv. Reaffirmation that cabinet size shall not exceed 20; rationalisation of administration to continue.

great

xxxv. Monitoring and Implementation Committee to be formed comprising Federal Minister for Kashmir Affairs (Chair), Minister for Parliamentary Affairs, two AJK Government and two JAAC representatives.

ok

xxxvi. Committee to prepare rules, set timelines, and review perks of judiciary, officials and ministers to reduce expenditure.

great!

xxxvii. New development schemes and health expansion projects to be financed under ADP and federal allocations.

why? do it through adp or raise special funds

xxxviii. All points of agreement to be monitored regularly by the Monitoring and Implementation Committee and reported to both the Federal and AJK Governments.

good

 

[hussain0216]

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lol no

ok - this judicial commission should determine if the deceased protestors deserved rs1 million or not
or if they were the ones causing all the trouble in the first place

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whos going to pay for it? - would the people of ajk pay for it or someone else
if someone else, then no

Maybe they can do that not a ridiculous demand but again does ajk gets its own funding or no? whos eating up all of the budget?

Pakistan needs to spend billions of $ in upgrading its electric system
First priority should be given to connect Karachi and northern, central Punjab because thats where most of the population lives
That'll be the priority for now till maybe private investors can come and do it in ajk on their own for royalties, profit or the government or ajk raise a special fund for it

This royalty thing is just a demand but from what little I know, that PPP the ultimate bloodsucking cronies purposely overbloated the royalties
Royalties should be given but they should be way less than what is written in the law, as Pakistan cannot afford it for now
Also dams and such are already very expensive and pakistan payed for the last one over 2-3 decade long period the ones from the 60s
Its not a cheap affair and I doubt those seeking royalties paid for the dam anyways but that doesnt take away thier right for royalties but those royalties shouldn't be as high as they are
to the extent that they are almost unaffordable for the gov

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Why? ajk is the richest region in pakistan and they wanted taxes like FATA the poorest region in pakistan?
Not at all fair when everyone else is already paying so much in taxes

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good - ajk needs an airport imo

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great!

why? do it through adp or raise special funds

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What exactly about these demands is riot worthy???

Why can none of our people do anything without riots, and someone being killed, ruining families

No one should be against reasonable political demands

But as soon as this type of behaviour and street thuggery occurs then it should be immediately stamped out

 

[Corax]

What exactly about these demands is riot worthy???

Why can none of our people do anything without riots, and someone being killed, ruining families

No one should be against reasonable political demands

But as soon as this type of behaviour and street thuggery occurs then it should be immediately stamped out

Jahaliat is endemic.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

What exactly about these demands is riot worthy???

Why can none of our people do anything without riots, and someone being killed, ruining families

No one should be against reasonable political demands

But as soon as this type of behaviour and street thuggery occurs then it should be immediately stamped out

I am pro-riot. Nothing good ever happened peacefully. Talking to the wrong person here
Maybe not riot all the time like the French but some riots from time to time keeps the ruling elites in check.
They are no ones friend not even thier own in the grand scheme of things.

 

[gamaji]

Mirpur is not protesting. The protests are taking place in Dadyal Kotli Chakswari Rawalakot and Muzaffarabad.

These haram khore protesters get Rs.270B from Pakistan out of their Rs300B budget for Azad Kashmir. They can only collect a paltry Rs70B on their own. These shameless people are now asking for another Rs40B cut in taxes.

As I said before, these harami people have started using electricity where normally gas is used (e.g. to get hot water and bakery/tandoor) just because they get the electricity for almost free (i.e. Rs3 per unit as compared to Rs70 per unit for Pakistanis). Punjab produces wheat and yet the people there pay more than double the price for buying wheat/atta than these shameless goons.

These namak-haram people don't deserve all these favors. Let them work like ordinary Pakistanis have to do for living. These goons have been spoiled by all those favors to them.

As far the protection from RSS goons who rape Kashmiri women, these beghairat people don't mind that. It's only the real Kashmiris (living under illegal Indian occupation) who are fighting for their freedom, dignity, and ghairat.

 

[hussain0216]

Jahaliat is endemic.

It's everywhere and they learn from each other

You can also see the power trip some of the local "politicians" are on, they are getting erections at their ability to whip up local jahils and bring out people

It a way of making themselves feel important and outdo the other local jahils



PTI cult also doesn't help, because those lannats will jump on anything and everything at the moment

 

[313Ghazi]

What exactly about these demands is riot worthy???

Why can none of our people do anything without riots, and someone being killed, ruining families

No one should be against reasonable political demands

But as soon as this type of behaviour and street thuggery occurs then it should be immediately stamped out

Ask those who use force to stop legitimate protest. What should we do? Bend over and take it like Punjab does every time the govt prevents you from expressing your political opinion?

 

[Starlord]

What exactly about these demands is riot worthy???

Why can none of our people do anything without riots, and someone being killed, ruining families

No one should be against reasonable political demands

But as soon as this type of behaviour and street thuggery occurs then it should be immediately stamped out

Duniya mai Protests mai violence hota hai, Pakistan mai Violence mai kabhi kabhi protest ho jata hai.

 

[gamaji]

In principle, yes.... change should come through elections and elected representatives in a fair democratic process.

That only works, of course, if a fair democratic process is actually allowed to exist. In reality, elections here are always managed, outcomes are shaped well before ballots matter, and (supposedly) elected governments operate with a ceiling clearly marked by unelected power structures...

And when that system doesn’t deliver, what exactly is the "approved" alternative? People protest. Then they’re labelled as traitors, extremists, or worse. .. And if they persist, brute force tends to arrive with impressive speed and minimal accountability...

So yes, a neat democratic theory on paper. Just missing the small detail of democracy itself.

Unless, of course, the expectation is that everyone should simply bow gracefully and assume the people above politics are beyond question..... practically divine, just with uniforms instead of halos...!!

I hope you are not trying to say that constitutional issues should be resolved by attacking hospitals and killing people including security persons.