AJK govt bans Joint Awami Action Committee, notification issued

[gamaji]

Fabricated form 47 has ruined the country.

Still living in lies and delusion. These fools are now making similar 'form this' and 'form that' lies about GB elections too. The people of Pakistan have rejected PTI and the coward traitors who have turned into Modi's true soldiers. Congrats.
Jahan ki khoti, waheen aan khaloti.

 

[Oscar]

I am fully convinced that the original PDF that went offline never came back. This forum is in reality a Mossad psychological rape chamber where we are forced to converse with Shinbet agents posing as ridiculously ultra right wing Fauji fanboys.

I am also convinced I am dealing with bots running on a server farm in Burkina Faso on land purchased by Epstien and run by a mix of Shin Bet, Mossad and Rawlanati agents.
Because the amount of mindless cultism doesn’t fathom human intelligence

 

[Oscar]

Abolishing those 12 seats would effectively mean stepping back from Pakistan’s stated position of a UN backed plebiscite on the future of the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir...

Whatever the present realities, Pakistan does not have a legal claim over J&K in the way India cites the Instrument of Accession... so this isn’t as simple a policy change as it may look...

A more practical option would be to keep the seats but strip them of real power and privileges.

Jammu, historically, isn’t organically part of Kashmir.. it's an extension of Punjab that was only later bundled with Kashmir under modern political arrangements...

And 6 of those seats are for Jammu division refugees, who never had (and realistically never will have) any meaningful stake in AJK’s political system ...

How about putting those seats as ceremonial until J&K is free?
That would address the issue most logically if acceptable to those that actually exploit those seats.

Either way, this is getting out of hand on a very slippery slope.

 

[PakAl]

Still living in lies and delusion. These fools are now making similar 'form this' and 'form that' lies about GB elections too. The people of Pakistan have rejected PTI and the coward traitors who have turned into Modi's true soldiers. Congrats.
Jahan ki khoti, waheen aan khaloti.

Political parties always claim after elections that it was rigged, PPP made the first allegations and now became the majority so have gone quiet, the looser will say it has been rigged, same will happen in AJK elections and all over Pakistan. Then when the people reject the parliament or politicians then they are labelled traitors and rebels. Pakistan state needs to be strict on this, politicians must not be allowed to instigate the people so over the decades they dont boil over. When politicians themselves claim rigging by Pindi then awaam will one day point fingers at Pindi.

 

[PakAl]

How about putting those seats as ceremonial until J&K is free?
That would address the issue most logically if acceptable to those that actually exploit those seats.

Either way, this is getting out of hand on a very slippery slope.

I oppose the 12 seats removal, Jammu Kashmir refugees are Kashmiris and have the right to representative in the parliament. Anyways I found some good posts against the move, some good points.

 

[amuqeetk]

These beghairat protesters did not fight Indian soldiers when they were killing Kashmiri people in IOJ&K. These are simply terrorists who want to blackmail Pakistan to get more benefits.

its the job of the army to fight across the borders and not these civillians, and these people did join the army, and have served this nation admirably.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Abolishing those 12 seats would effectively mean stepping back from Pakistan’s stated position of a UN backed plebiscite on the future of the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir...

Whatever the present realities, Pakistan does not have a legal claim over J&K in the way India cites the Instrument of Accession... so this isn’t as simple a policy change as it may look...

A more practical option would be to keep the seats but strip them of real power and privileges.

Jammu, historically, isn’t organically part of Kashmir.. it's an extension of Punjab that was only later bundled with Kashmir under modern political arrangements...

And 6 of those seats are for Jammu division refugees, who never had (and realistically never will have) any meaningful stake in AJK’s political system ...

These 12 seats can be symbolic in nature without any power to change local AJK govt.

AJK need to be integrated with Pakistan and given representation in parliament, senate etc Their delulu of independent state should be ended for good. There were only two options, either India or Pakistan. That can be left for later.

Current model cannot continue for long. Another 80 years cannot pass while AJK remain as it is.

Have a look at IoK valley, its economically destitute area. With below replacement TRF. Post 2019 hindutva settler colonial project is in full swing to change demographics. On top of extremist hindu regime are now try to build tunnel to divert Chenab river which will be like dropping a nuke on Pakistan. End days are coming for south asia. India no longer care about nuclear fallout. Prepare for last war. Hopefully Pakistani army stick to its guns and go all out if single brick is move to build that tunnel.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I oppose the 12 seats removal, Jammu Kashmir refugees are Kashmiris and have the right to representative in the parliament. Anyways I found some good posts against the move, some good points.

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There are a few nuances here, my friend

Of the almost half a million registered refugees from the former J&K, only about 30,000 are from the Kashmir Valley. Around 450,000 are from Jammu Division, most of whom settled in 3 or 4 of districts in central Punjab following partition.... While they are still locally referred to as Riyasati, culturally and socially they are as Punjabi as they come, with no connection to Kashmir...

Yet they continue to elect representatives for Azad Kashmir and help decide the political fate of a land many have never even seen... !!

Also, if GB can be administratively separated from J&K and its people given the right to choose their own representatives, why should Kashmiris living in Azad Kashmir be denied the same principle?

And if preserving the political rights of Jammu refugees is the concern, then create a separate representative body for them in Islamabad or Lahore... Why should the politics of Azad Kashmir be shaped by people who neither live there nor have any meaningful stake in its affairs?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

There are a few nuances here, my friend

Of the almost half a million registered refugees from the former J&K, only about 30,000 are from the Kashmir Valley. Around 450,000 are from Jammu Division, most of whom settled in 3 or 4 of districts in central Punjab following partition.... While they are still locally referred to as Riyasati, culturally and socially they are as Punjabi as they come, with no connection to Kashmir...

Not a big deal. 95% of AJK itself is your typical gujjar, jatt, raja, etc moutain punjabis.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Not a big deal. 95% of AJK itself is your typical gujjar, jatt, raja, etc moutain punjabis.

That point does carry some weight... Azad Kashmir is distinct from the Kashmir Valley, and in 1948 India halted its advance after securing the Valley, leaving many peripheral areas behind as strategically indefensible.... But the crucial difference is that the people of AJK actually live there and have done so for generations. Their lives, interests, and future are inseparable from the fate of that land...

The Jammu refugees we are talking about are a different case altogether. They have no direct connection to AJK’s territory or population, and therefore no comparable stake in its political affairs..

As for the Gujjars you are referring to, they are not a uniquely Punjabi/Pahari community but a pan-subcontinental ethnic group. According to the 1931 Census of British India, Gujjar populations were recorded across 8 of the 13 provinces. Today they are the largest ethnic group in AJK, make up roughly a fifth of the population in Indian Occupied Jammu, were the third largest ethnic group in NWFP, have a significant presence in Punjab, and even maintain sizeable communities in Afghanistan... Their presence in AJK is therefore hardly evidence of any exclusive or uniquely Punjabi/Pahari character.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[PakAl]

There are a few nuances here, my friend

Of the almost half a million registered refugees from the former J&K, only about 30,000 are from the Kashmir Valley. Around 450,000 are from Jammu Division, most of whom settled in 3 or 4 of districts in central Punjab following partition.... While they are still locally referred to as Riyasati, culturally and socially they are as Punjabi as they come, with no connection to Kashmir...

Yet they continue to elect representatives for Azad Kashmir and help decide the political fate of a land many have never even seen... !!

Also, if GB can be administratively separated from J&K and its people given the right to choose their own representatives, why should Kashmiris living in Azad Kashmir be denied the same principle?

And if preserving the political rights of Jammu refugees is the concern, then create a separate representative body for them in Islamabad or Lahore... Why should the politics of Azad Kashmir be shaped by people who neither live there nor have any meaningful stake in its affairs?

But we call Azad Kashmir not only as Azad Kashmir but as Jammu Kashmir, so Kashmiris consider Jammu as part of Kashmir. They may not have connections or live their but they still are Kashmiris, maybe reducing seats can be a solution.

Current assembly structure:
53 total seats
45 general seats (includes 12 refugee seats).
8 reserved seats, including:
5 for women
1 for ulema/religious scholars
1 for technocrats/professionals
1 for Jammu & Kashmir nationals residing abroad (overseas Kashmiris).

The JAC point is these 12 seats are used to control governments and decisions are made by those who dont live in Kashmir, makes sense but overseas Kashmiris also have 1 reserve seat, also many years back people all over Pakistan were demanding overseas voting, people who dont live in Pakistan but will be able to make decisions for Pakistan.

 

[Goenitz]

also many years back people all over Pakistan were demanding overseas voting, people who dont live in Pakistan but will be able to make decisions for Pakistan.

that is just one angle. A Pakistani passport holder with ILR or a green card or Iqama can be an assembly member, bureaucrat, etc so why can't the public vote?

 

[M. Sarmad]

But we call Azad Kashmir not only as Azad Kashmir but as Jammu Kashmir, so Kashmiris consider Jammu as part of Kashmir. They may not have connections or live their but they still are Kashmiris, maybe reducing seats can be a solution.

Current assembly structure:
53 total seats
45 general seats (includes 12 refugee seats).
8 reserved seats, including:
5 for women
1 for ulema/religious scholars
1 for technocrats/professionals
1 for Jammu & Kashmir nationals residing abroad (overseas Kashmiris).

The JAC point is these 12 seats are used to control governments and decisions are made by those who dont live in Kashmir, makes sense but overseas Kashmiris also have 1 reserve seat, also many years back people all over Pakistan were demanding overseas voting, people who dont live in Pakistan but will be able to make decisions for Pakistan.

Those overseas Pakistanis living abroad are still Pakistanis. Their right to vote stems from their belonging to Pakistan... That is not remotely comparable to the voting rights of Jammu refugees in AJK, who neither live in nor belong to Azad Kashmir. The two cases are fundamentally different...

As for the name, it is called Azad Jammu and Kashmir because it constitutes the Pakistan administered portion of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, as opposed to the part administered/occupied by India... The name itself does not erase the fact that Jammu and Kashmir are historically, culturally, linguistically, and socially distinct regions that found themselves within a single political entity due to relatively modern political arrangements.

 

[hussain0216]

All those who protested Infront of the Pakistani embassy need to have any Pakistani I.D cancelled immediately,

banned from entering Pakistan forever, including any family and extended family

All property/land in Pakistan confiscated


Same with any "MP" of Pakistani background who put their name to any anti-Pakistan letter



PTI has also become a donkey party, where a cow can fart in a field and these dopes will turn up with their jernail jernail rhetoric

Finally start rounding up agitators and rioters, bring the hammer or law down on them, start throwing these bastards onto IOK so they can live with the idol worshippers